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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2016, 11:49:44 AM »
That was how things were done before the attachment system was implemented. The problem is the "attached" cards are analyzed by the Battle Calculator for buffs/debuffs. If the cards are to the side of the table there is really no clean way to do this bit of the work.

We do give the option to turn off the BC and Attachments so you could do that and place the cards to the side of the board.

Just a random thought to solve this:
How about adding 1 extra zone to each side of the Arena. (so two in total) Each enchantment in zone 1 could be linked to mage 1 and vice versa for zone 2.

If you don't like these zones you could of course still use the current method.

Since you already have a way to automate zone enchantments I think it's not extremely hard to automatically link every enchantment in a particular zone to a particular mage.


total dislike, what is the issue with the current system for you? To crowded zones?

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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2016, 11:54:35 AM »
not in every game, but sometimes yes. Would also be a way to solve the enchantment-on-enchantment issue? I don't think the current system is "bad" at all. Just thought it could be improved by freeing up some space.
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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2016, 12:55:10 PM »
why cause you still have enchantments on enchantments and enchantments then

and you still have enchantments on enchantments on other creatures

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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2016, 12:57:32 PM »
It just occurred to me that if you can Arcane Ward an Arcane Ward, you can create a chain of Arcane Wards! It would of course be disrupted by a seeking dispel at the base of the chain, but it would really funny.
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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2016, 01:10:52 PM »
why cause you still have enchantments on enchantments and enchantments then

and you still have enchantments on enchantments on other creatures

Yes, but both of these don't happen very often. (or at least a lot less)
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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2016, 01:34:19 PM »
really? the obvious choice for it is mind control

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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2016, 05:06:12 PM »
It just occurred to me that if you can Arcane Ward an Arcane Ward, you can create a chain of Arcane Wards! It would of course be disrupted by a seeking dispel at the base of the chain, but it would really funny.
Wouldn't it be prohibited to have similar cards stapled?

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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2016, 08:58:16 PM »
It just occurred to me that if you can Arcane Ward an Arcane Ward, you can create a chain of Arcane Wards! It would of course be disrupted by a seeking dispel at the base of the chain, but it would really funny.
Wouldn't it be prohibited to have similar cards stapled?

No. As long as no enchantment has the same target as another enchantment with the same name, it's fine.

Forcefield<=Arcane Ward1
Arcane Ward1<=Arcane Ward2
Arcane Ward 2<=Arcane Ward3

<= "targets"
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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2016, 03:09:49 AM »
It just occurred to me that if you can Arcane Ward an Arcane Ward, you can create a chain of Arcane Wards! It would of course be disrupted by a seeking dispel at the base of the chain, but it would really funny.
Wouldn't it be prohibited to have similar cards stapled?

No. As long as no enchantment has the same target as another enchantment with the same name, it's fine.

Forcefield<=Arcane Ward1
Arcane Ward1<=Arcane Ward2
Arcane Ward 2<=Arcane Ward3

<= "targets"

Yes that's true. It would be awesome to see someone play a third arcane ward to build this arrangement in a real game. “as my qc I play arcane ward on arcane ward, and as full action I play arcane ward on arcane ward on arcane ward. Ha!“. “wtf dude?“

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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2016, 03:28:48 AM »
i only dont see the purpose of it

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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2016, 06:36:13 AM »
You cant seeking dispel the entire chain. Though dispelling the card being protected gets around all of that.

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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2016, 07:27:39 AM »
But 1 decoy on the first enchantment triggers them all. If not, you can reveal your decoy and safely assume the opponent also used a decoy on their enchantments and dispel. Ever since academy arrived I started adding decoy a lot more in my deck.
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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2016, 06:03:07 PM »
i only dont see the purpose of it
Because there is none. Imagine how your face would look like if your opponent would play that. :)

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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2016, 07:55:43 PM »
You cant seeking dispel the entire chain. Though dispelling the card being protected gets around all of that.

Yes you can. Just seeking dispel the arcane ward at the base and then everything attached to it is destroyed. Therefore everything attached to what is attached to it is also destroyed. And so on. Of course decoy is probably preferable.
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Re: Enchantments on Enchantments
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2016, 02:06:27 AM »
At Sike: It would be awesome if enchantments on mages would be placed next to the equipment, just as we do in real games.

I have played hundreds of games, against many dozens of players in many different play groups, including a lot of tournaments. I have only EVER seen one player do this - it's not the normal way to play at all.