Thanks die sharing your book. Your strategie sounds solid, but I wonder of you really need / ever summon all big creatures? Crab, crocodile, Leviathan and water elemental seems a lot.

What do you do against flyers. I only see harpooners as an answer. Could be hard against lots of birdies or angels. You should consider gravikor?! Sorry if I miss something.

I really only have Crab and Crocodile since they cost between 12 and 22. I actually haven't been impressed with them so far so I may consider removing them. Flyers might be an issue so Gravikor seems solid. My Trident does have ranged but all my attack spells target non-flyers now that I think about it. Kraken could make quick work of squishy flyers but he's too expensive. Maybe I need another Knockdown, another Harpooner, and some attack spells that CAN target flying creatures.

After around 15 or so games here is the Siren spellbook I have "settled" on. Interested to hear feedback.

Conjurations: 14 points
3x Shallow Sea
2x Bed of Urchins
2x Coral Barrier
1x Whirlpool (still haven't actually played it but it seems strong)

Equipment: 12 points
1x Ring of the Ocean Depths
1x Ring of Tides
1x Echo of the Depths
1x Shoalsdeep Trident
1x Leviathan Scale Armor
1x Meditation Amulet
1x Eagleclaw Boots

Creatures: 41 points
4x Shoalsdeep Tidecallers
1x Naiya
2x Merren Harpooner
2x Deptonne Berserker
1x Colossal Crab
1x Shoalsdeep Crocodile
1x Sherean Leviathan
1x Water Elemental

Enchantments: 29 points
2x Hydrothermal Vent
2x Rust
2x Drown
3x Lullaby
1x Song of Love
1x Ballad of Courage
1x Healing Charm
1x Harmonize
1x Nullify
1x Block
1x Bear Strength
1x Regrowth
1x Akiros Favor
1x Brace Yourself

Incantations: 19 points
3x Dissolve
1x Minor Heal
1x Seeking Dispel
3x Dispel
1x Knockdown
1x Rouse the Beast
1x Battle Fury

Attacks: 5 points
2x Acid Ball
3x Surging Wave

Okay correction: it says Drown gets a suffocation marker. That definitely makes it not as good. Still great for enemies with 8 or less health since you are taking away at least 25% of their health. But I'm not putting in 4 anymore.

I'm starting to win with Siren. The Spellbook wasn't the problem. She really is just hard to play. It sounds like common sense but you really need to control the center and use her built in abilities and equipment as much as possible. Her Trident, tidecallers, harpooners, and Siren Call can be combined to push enemies from trap to trap amazingly well. Coral Barrier is good for forcing the opponent through choke points.

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Quote from: MrSaucy on November 22, 2016, 01:11:37 PM

Is there any point to having Rust as Siren when you have Acid Ball? I know Rust is cheaper but it can just be dispelled

The main thing is that there are effects that remove conditions, just as there are effects that dispel enchantments. Against a priestess, corrodes are almost always only temporary, and many other mages use wand of healing and cure.
A secondary issue is that while acid resistance curently exist only in promos, generally an acid ball have a chance of reducing armor by only one, and tough -2 that anvil thrones got (and paladins could get through aura) that could combine with the belt that gives though -2 might also reduce the effect of an acid ball.

Those are some good points. It makes sense to have both Rust and Acid Ball. I think 4 Acid Ball might be overkill and I'll go 2 Rust and 2 Acid Ball.

I think the water symbol on her staff is hydro. Hydro and acid belong to water school, just as wind and lighting belong to Air school.

I didn't think so. Acid Ball has the water symbol but only has the Acid subtype. Surging Wave has the water symbol and specifies that it has the Hydro subtype. Unless Acid Ball has a printing mistake I am lead to believe that an attack isn't Hydro unless explicitly stated. This is just like the case where the wizards lightning ring doesn't affect wind spells and his wind ring doesn't affect lightning spells. Both subtypes belong to the Air school but are exclusive.

I've played 5 games with Siren vs Paladin (as both mages). The Siren has lost every single game by a mile. She just seems very weak.

Sure, she can set up traps, but by the time she sets them up they only delay her troubles.

Her equipment is underwhelming. One of her rings is only useful for half of the rounds in the game while the other ring doesn't get a cost reduction from all water spells, only hydro and aquatic. Her ability to sustain psychic spells hasn't proven to be as helpful as I had hoped. She practically requires a Meditation Amulet since she seems to be constantly starved for mana.

I have been very disappointed with most of her creatures (save for Naiya, who is excellent). The sharks aren't strong enough. The pirates aren't strong enough. None of her level 1 or 2 creatures are worth casting because the most they can do is buy you time - The Siren appears to have a lot of ways to delay threats but few ways to actually deal with them, which is frustrating. The creatures she has that actually ARE effective are extremely expensive... which really makes me wonder why she only has channeling of 9. And then there is grapple, which honestly isn't that good. Even though its a condition marker it isn't hard to escape, and by the time my creatures do have something grappled they are half dead because I have few ways of keeping them alive.

As far as incantations go she has... well she really only has dissolve. And the only good water attack spell she has that you can cast regularly is surging wave.

What am I missing here? She comes off as a mage who is spread to thin with not enough focus on one thing.