magebane and enchantments

[matlos]

How does magebane works when a mage with this enchantment casts a hidden enchantment and resolves it later, for example in the next round? Does he receive any damage - as the card says "casts and resolves" and those actions can be separated by many rounds?
And if he receives damage - at what time, in the moment of resolution?


Admin: fixed typo in title

[baronzaltor]

Magebane deals damage when the Enchantment is cast face down.

Attempting to play a face down enchantment, and then not having it countered and actually attach to the target is "resolving" that casting.   Turning the Enchantment face up is not an actual casting, so it doesn't trigger Magebane.

[sdougla2]

There are 3 steps to casting a spell:

1: Cast Spell
2: Counter Spell
3: Resolve Spell

You follow these steps for all spells, including enchantments, it's just that the enchantment is face down when the spell resolves, so the abilities of the enchantment aren't resolved yet. During step 3, the enchantment spell resolves, and this triggers Magebane.

[matlos]

Thanks for answering, I know what you mean. But the rulebook says on page 18 "If both players want to reveal an enchantment at the same time, the player with the initiative goes first. He may reveal as many enchantments as he wants, one at a time, resolving each one before revealing the next"
It says "resolve" when the player reveals a hidden enchantment.

Also on the next page it`s said "Each enchantment is resolved as soon as it is revealed"
So for me step 3 of casting the enchantment (resolving) is done at the moment of revealing it.
And here the problem of magebane occurs.
But maybe I don`t understand it correctly.

[jacksmack]

Thanks for answering, I know what you mean. But the rulebook says on page 18 "If both players want to reveal an enchantment at the same time, the player with the initiative goes first. He may reveal as many enchantments as he wants, one at a time, resolving each one before revealing the next"
It says "resolve" when the player reveals a hidden enchantment.

Also on the next page it`s said "Each enchantment is resolved as soon as it is revealed"
So for me step 3 of casting the enchantment (resolving) is done at the moment of revealing it.
And here the problem of magebane occurs.
But maybe I don`t understand it correctly.

The "Each enchantment is resolved as soon as it is revealed" means:
The enchantment takes effect or is resolved when its revealed.

examples -

effects:
Maimed wings - when you reveal it the creature lose flying as of now.

Eagle wings - when you reveal it the creature is now a flying creature - note creatures cannot gain flying during an attack sequence.

Bear strength - You can reveal this on your creature after the enemy fails his defense roll. The effect is immidiate and you roll 2 extra dice for the roll dice step.

Enchantments where "Resolving" is needed:
Enchantment transfusion - The player revealing this now finish moving all the allowed enchantments he/she wishes before the other player can  reveal 1 or more enchantments.
Note that the player with initative can reveal a newly transfered enchantment with priority as well.

Healing charm - resolving here is the dice rolling and the proper damage counters removed.



Im trying to say that the resolve is not putting the spell/enchantment into play, but its rather putting its effect into play.
Magebane only works when the enchantment is put into play - not when its effect starts to work.

[sdougla2]

The issue is that the rules use the word resolve for both the abilities on an enchantment (as jacksmack noted), and for casting a spell successfully, but they are really 2 different things. Both of them involve resolving something, but in one case it's a spell and in another case it's abilities. You resolve an enchantment spell when you successfully cast it face down. You resolve the abilities of the enchantment when it is turned face up and the reveal cost is paid.

[matlos]

All clear now, thanks a lot!

[ringkichard]

There are 3 steps to casting a spell:

1: Cast Spell
2: Counter Spell
3: Resolve Spell

You follow these steps for all spells, including enchantments, it's just that the enchantment is face down when the spell resolves, so the abilities of the enchantment aren't resolved yet. During step 3, the enchantment spell resolves, and this triggers Magebane.

This is correct. All spells follow these steps. The result of resolving a freshly cast enchantment is that you have a new face down enchantment.

Later, you can also resolve an enchantment's effect when you reveal it.  This does not mean that it did not resolve earlier.

[Shad0w]

Everbody clear on this now?