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Latest Necro Build
« on: July 08, 2016, 06:05:48 PM »
for some reason the sb builder is counting it as 116 sbp but i've recounted about 3 or 4 times and it comes up to 120 sbp so here it is.  I enjoy working on new sb, especially the necromancer, and this is my latest iteration.


[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Necromancer[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Necromancer Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J12]1 x Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J11]1 x Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWBG1J02]1 x Gravikor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ11]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J19]1 x Deathlock[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC22]2 x Zombie Brute[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC08]1 x Unstable Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC19]2 x Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]2 x Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1C26]1 x Necropian Vampiress[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC14]2 x Skeletal Knight[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=]2 x Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE04]1 x Brace Yourself[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNE02]1 x Rise Again[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E08]1 x Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]1 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01E02]2 x Arcane Ward[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKE01]1 x Armor Ward[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE07]1 x Rust[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E14]1 x Enfeeble[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E33]1 x Retaliate[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q05]1 x Demonhide Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x Death Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q07]1 x Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ05]1 x Libro Mortuos[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q19]2 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01Q04]1 x Leather Chausses[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNI04]1 x Renewing Rain[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI06]2 x Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]1 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01I04]2 x Mend[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI04]1 x Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI01]1 x Animate Dead[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]1 x Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI08]1 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 116 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

ideally,
t1 : mana crystal, brace yourself or death ring (most likely by)
t2: skeletal knight, leather
t3: skeletal knight or brute, leather

from there use libro or drop the idol.  I dont plan on getting close to the enemy mage so i only packed 1 dissolve. renewing rain is for if 2 or more zombies have burns on them.  retaliate is there to throw on a brute and I believe the counterstrike will still trigger the bloodthirsty +2 :)
I'm still on edge about armor ward, but we'll see how it goes. the plan is to arcane ward it.  I dont have a battle forge because I want to crank out as many high level, high threat, creatures as possible early on. which is why the libro comes out later. 
the vampire is to deal with flyers and if there are too many then gravikor. 
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Re: Latest Necro Build
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 10:09:39 AM »
Renewing Rain has only a limited effect for your non-living creatures... the removal of Burns. You lose the small healing ability for those creatures, so it is a little less powerful for the Necro than many others. There are a lot of Burn sources though.... I'm just iffy on whether it's important enough to include. I think you can use the spellbook points elsewhere more effectively.

Also, Gravikor and the Vampiress together is a little counterintuitive. You lose the ability to give her Flying in many cases when Gravikor is out. I love Gravikor for a Necro... it's just that I don't think the Vampiress fits well. So... if you do remove her in favor of something else, that's even one fewer living creature in the mix for the Renewing Rain to heal.

I think I'd remove the Vampiress and Renewing Rain, and use the points for other items.

The Libro now is susceptible to being cursed with Curse Item. I've been thinking of going with the Graveyard with my Necro since there are always other things for my Dispels to be doing instead. You just have to know to save a Dispel for an emergency curse removal... especially against a dark mage. The two Mage Wands might come in handy here... but they are such Dissolve bait, I don't know if you can count on them to be around when you need it.

Also... on the whole Spawnpoint issue... I'm not sure you have enough Creatures to warrant having either one... especially if you are planning to hard cast the first two creatures yourself.

I do not understand why you want to mix Skeletal Knights and Zombie Brutes. I'd go with 2-4 of one or the other, and pick my other spells (Zombie Frenzie, Reassemble, etc.) to complement the type of undead chosen. There are times where adding skeleton types to a zombie book makes sense to me, such as when you want ranged attacks from the Skeletal Archers or the Fast trait from the Deathfang, for example... I just don't get the mixing of the two big melee types.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2016, 10:11:58 AM by DaveW »
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Re: Latest Necro Build
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 10:46:27 AM »
At first glance I'd say this is a very solid book at its core.
You only have the details left to work out imo.

My suggestions :

- Remove Renewing Rain and save 5 sbp : It's a situational card and therefore 5 sbp's is too much to invest in it imo and besides I'd rather use that 9 mana to summon another creature.

- Armor Ward : another 5 sbp card but this one may be worth it. I'd add a second Nullify though.

- I'd probably prefer a second Cloak of Shadows over an Elemental Cloak ( if you have the sbp's for it ). Again, the Elemental Cloak is situationally useful for him but Cloak of Shadows is more useful overall and often more effective ( vs ranged attacks/spells )

- I'd drop Animate Dead. Do you have any special plans with this card ?

- I'd add another Dissolve or Crumble : I understand you want to stay away from the enemy mage, but that enemy mage may end up close anyway ;) so that extra card might come in very handy in that case.

- another props : as a personal rule of thumb I think every competitive book needs at least two walls .... ;)
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Re: Latest Necro Build
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2016, 07:17:45 PM »
Renewing Rain has only a limited effect for your non-living creatures... the removal of Burns. You lose the small healing ability for those creatures, so it is a little less powerful for the Necro than many others. There are a lot of Burn sources though.... I'm just iffy on whether it's important enough to include. I think you can use the spellbook points elsewhere more effectively.

Also, Gravikor and the Vampiress together is a little counterintuitive. You lose the ability to give her Flying in many cases when Gravikor is out. I love Gravikor for a Necro... it's just that I don't think the Vampiress fits well. So... if you do remove her in favor of something else, that's even one fewer living creature in the mix for the Renewing Rain to heal.

I think I'd remove the Vampiress and Renewing Rain, and use the points for other items.

The Libro now is susceptible to being cursed with Curse Item. I've been thinking of going with the Graveyard with my Necro since there are always other things for my Dispels to be doing instead. You just have to know to save a Dispel for an emergency curse removal... especially against a dark mage. The two Mage Wands might come in handy here... but they are such Dissolve bait, I don't know if you can count on them to be around when you need it.

Also... on the whole Spawnpoint issue... I'm not sure you have enough Creatures to warrant having either one... especially if you are planning to hard cast the first two creatures yourself.

I do not understand why you want to mix Skeletal Knights and Zombie Brutes. I'd go with 2-4 of one or the other, and pick my other spells (Zombie Frenzie, Reassemble, etc.) to complement the type of undead chosen. There are times where adding skeleton types to a zombie book makes sense to me, such as when you want ranged attacks from the Skeletal Archers or the Fast trait from the Deathfang, for example... I just don't get the mixing of the two big melee types.

While fire spells are very prominent i understand your point and 5 sbp is a lot for one card and it is very situational.  I do think it is a very good card, however.  It may go in and out of this book, i'll just have to see. 

so my intent was that if they place a blood demon, angel, or something then the vampiress would be a good counter to that.  If there is a swarm of flyers going on then that is when I would plan to drop gravikor.  but honestly i havent played a book yet that has used any flyers :/ so i cant say one way or another which i prefer.  but for now i have kept both the vamp and gravikor.

I have always loved the graveyard, it just seems very vulnerable with the 1 armor that everytime I  play it, it is taken down easily.  That being said, all it takes is one dissolve and the libro is gone for good unless i lose 3 life...
I decided to swap the libro for the graveyard. In doing that, I removed armor ward, 5sbp card, since I do not have a libro to protect anymore. 1 less contingency to worry about.

I chose the knights originally for the defense and 1 armor. after reading this and testing them out, resilient zombies, in my experience have proven to be much more survivable - saving the 2 mana per cast helps too when casting a brute over a knight.

At first glance I'd say this is a very solid book at its core.
You only have the details left to work out imo.

My suggestions :

- Remove Renewing Rain and save 5 sbp : It's a situational card and therefore 5 sbp's is too much to invest in it imo and besides I'd rather use that 9 mana to summon another creature.

- Armor Ward : another 5 sbp card but this one may be worth it. I'd add a second Nullify though.

- I'd probably prefer a second Cloak of Shadows over an Elemental Cloak ( if you have the sbp's for it ). Again, the Elemental Cloak is situationally useful for him but Cloak of Shadows is more useful overall and often more effective ( vs ranged attacks/spells )

- I'd drop Animate Dead. Do you have any special plans with this card ?

- I'd add another Dissolve or Crumble : I understand you want to stay away from the enemy mage, but that enemy mage may end up close anyway ;) so that extra card might come in very handy in that case.

- another props : as a personal rule of thumb I think every competitive book needs at least two walls .... ;)

on renewing rain, I have debated this or raincloud  - right now, i have cut both.

animate dead has helped me so much in many games.  I have had so many times where i drop rise again and go for the kill right after only to not get enough dmg through and then it gets seeking dispelled.  This is one card i usually put on a wand when I can.


This is the latest iteration after hearing your guys feedback and other considerations.

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]necromancer v2[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Necromancer Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNJ04]1 x Graveyard[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J12]1 x Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J11]1 x Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWBG1J02]1 x Gravikor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ11]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J19]1 x Deathlock[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC13]1 x Skeletal Archer[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC22]3 x Zombie Brute[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC08]1 x Unstable Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC19]2 x Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]4 x Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1C26]1 x Necropian Vampiress[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E09]1 x Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E19]2 x Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE04]1 x Brace Yourself[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNE02]1 x Rise Again[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E08]1 x Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]2 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01E02]2 x Arcane Ward[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE07]1 x Rust[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E14]1 x Enfeeble[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E33]1 x Retaliate[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q05]1 x Demonhide Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x Death Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q07]1 x Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q19]2 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01Q04]1 x Leather Chausses[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=FWI13]1 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI06]1 x Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]1 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01I04]2 x Mend[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI04]1 x Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI01]1 x Animate Dead[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]1 x Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI08]2 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

Some things i still contemplate on adding are knockdown, renewing rain, grey wraith (love this card!), quicksand

t1: archer, crystal
t2: pestilence, brace yourself/ leather or brute and leather - most likely the latter
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Re: Latest Necro Build
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 01:10:37 AM »
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Necromancer[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Necromancer Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J19]1 x Deathlock[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ13]1 x Ziggurat of Undeath[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J11]1 x Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ04]1 x Graveyard[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWBG1J02]1 x Gravikor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ11]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFC02]1 x Blood Demon[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC13]1 x Skeletal Archer[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC22]2 x Zombie Brute[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC19]2 x Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]3 x Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC08]1 x Unstable Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC04]1 x Grey Wraith[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MWBG1E02]1 x Plagued[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E19]1 x Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]2 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01E02]2 x Arcane Ward[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E09]2 x Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE07]1 x Rust[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNE02]1 x Rise Again[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E08]1 x Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E27]1 x Marked for Death[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E33]1 x Retaliate[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE04]1 x Brace Yourself[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01Q04]1 x Leather Chausses[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q05]1 x Demonhide Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q19]2 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q07]1 x Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x Death Ring[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]1 x Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI06]1 x Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I24]1 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI08]3 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01I04]2 x Mend[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]1 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI04]1 x Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I15]1 x Knockdown[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 118 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

this is my latest iteration of my necromancer.  as with any spell book it is a work in progress and he it is

the 2 remaining sbps are up in the air for a number of things on my radar:

mana crystal - but i already have 5 zone exclusive conjurations :b
meditation amulet - for if i use the graveyard and/ or to help with using the ziggurat
battle fury - for a zombo and it would help assure rise agiain or the ziggurat animation
ghoul rot - just because it's metal and useful
mage bane and another poisoned blood
another seeking dispel

after some discussions with others on the vampiress over the demon, i decided to try the demon out for a little bit mostly because the strong argument for the inherent flying but also the sbp i save and the lower mana cost.

2 copies of agony were added to help with forcemasters and super buddies (enchanted bear, troll, etc.)

Some openings i use are:

1.
brute, leather
brute (es), leather
minion or idol, seeking dispel or brace yourself

2.
archer, leather
idol, by or brute (es)

play the idol to draw the opponent in, shoot with the archer then swarm with zombos

3.
graveyard, ring
minion, leather, leather
archer (es), by

this one is slower and i'm honestly not accustomed to playing with a spawnpoint as much anymore but i still use this one here and there


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Re: Latest Necro Build
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2016, 10:13:56 AM »
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]necromancer[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Necromancer Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J19]1 x Deathlock[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ13]1 x Ziggurat of Undeath[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J11]1 x Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ04]1 x Graveyard[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWBG1J02]1 x Gravikor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ11]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC09]1 x Plague Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFC02]1 x Blood Demon[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC13]1 x Skeletal Archer[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC22]2 x Zombie Brute[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC19]2 x Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]3 x Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC08]1 x Unstable Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC04]1 x Grey Wraith[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E29]2 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01E02]2 x Arcane Ward[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E09]1 x Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE07]1 x Rust[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNE02]1 x Rise Again[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E08]1 x Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E27]1 x Marked for Death[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E33]1 x Retaliate[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE04]1 x Brace Yourself[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWBG1E02]1 x Plagued[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01Q04]1 x Leather Chausses[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q05]1 x Demonhide Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q19]1 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q07]1 x Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x Death Ring[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I08]1 x Drain Life[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]1 x Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI06]1 x Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I24]1 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI08]3 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01I04]2 x Mend[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]1 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI04]1 x Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I15]1 x Knockdown[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=FWA04]1 x Hurl Boulder[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
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