Vines and Obscured

[Crow]

It's Friday, so time for Mage Wars questions from yours truly.

Can a Druid cast into an Obscured Zone via Vines, or must the Caster actually be adjacent?

Thanks!

[reyda]

Vinecasting using the Spreading Vines ability requires line of sight to the vine token you wish to use, so no. Unless your mage / spawnpoint are in a zone adjacent to your target, of course. Walls can also prevent you from using the ability. The deployment of vine tokens via the Spreading Vines ability, however, does not require LoS, so walls will not prevent you from extending your creep wherever you see fit!

[baronzaltor]

A Druid has to be able to target the Vine Marker in order to cast a spell from it.  So if the Vine is not obscured and she has clear line of sight, she can cast from the Vine.  If the Vine is obscured along with the zone, she has to be 1 zone away from the Vine to target it.

[Crow]

It's not a question of the LOS we are concerned with, it's a matter of where the spell is considered being cast from.

Obscured states "It cannot be targeted from more than one zone away", the question is how does this interact with Vine Markers only one Zone away?

For example, if the Druid 4 Zones away uses a Vine Marker adjacent to an Obscured Zone, such as the Ethereal Mist tile, can a Stranglevine target a creature in that Zone?

Is the Vine Marker considered the Casting location (as it is adjacent and thereby eligible to cast), or the Druid (which is NOT adjacent)?


Also, has it been errata somewhere to state Obscured blocks LOS?  The Druid Vs. Necromancer booklet doesn't state this.  Are Obscured objects treated like Walls now? 

[Halewijn]

- The mage/tree targets the vine and needs LOS for this
- The vine targets the final goal and also needs LOS for this (creature/zone/..)

One thing to note: although stranglevine has a range of 2, vines can only target stuff in THEIR zone. You cannot use a vine to stranglevine a creature to the zone adjecent to it. because of this your combo is not allowed.

If a dark mage would be wearing a [mwcard=DNQ01]Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard], you could target a vine IN HIS zone and stranglevine him.

Obscured zones do not block LOS. But if an object is obscured and out of range or when an object is not in LOS it's basically the same for the mage: you cannot target it.

[Zuberi]

Halewijn answered this just fine. Just to make it crystal clear, the vine marker is the source of the spell. Like halewijn said though, your Mage still needs to be able to target the vine and the vine needs to be able to target the recipient of the spell, which has to be in the same zone as the vine.

[Crow]

OK, I think it is clear.

1. The Vine Marker is the source of the spell/action for the Obscured context.
2. Vine Markers can only be used to target their own Zone and it's contents.

Another spin-off question, if you will:

Must the Druid actually "target" the Vine Marker? 

For example, if the Vine Marker is in the Ethereal Tile, can it then be utilized to Cast Stranglevine on a creature within the Tile (or any eligible spell) ... or is this not possible because the Druid can not Target her own Vine Marker (assuming the Druid is not adjacent)?  No?

Thanks to all for their contributions.

[Zuberi]

Yes, the druid has to target the vine marker to be able to cast a spell from it.

[exid]

Yes, the druid has to target the vine marker to be able to cast a spell from it.

therefore the mage needs the LoS to the vine marker!

[Laddinfance]

Just dropping off a Banana Sticker.

[Halewijn]