Yet another spellbook construction - Necromancer

[Kazador]

Hey guys, I just want to hear your opinions on my latest book... It is a zombie necromancer with 2 spawnpoints. Here it is:

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Arena War Z[/spellbookname]
[mage]Necromancer[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNA01]1 x  Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA02]1 x  Force Hammer[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j19]1 x  Deathlock[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ04]1 x  Graveyard[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j11]1 x  Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x  Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j12]1 x  Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC23]4 x  Zombie Crawler[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]2 x  Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c23]1 x  Malacoda[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC09]2 x  Plague Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC11]1 x  Ravenous Ghoul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC12]1 x  Shaggoth-Zora[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC08]2 x  Unstable Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC19]3 x  Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC22]1 x  Zombie Brute[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC04]1 x  Grey Wraith[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e27]2 x  Marked for Death[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e25]2 x  Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e24]1 x  Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE03]1 x  Arcane Corruption[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e08]1 x  Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e04]1 x  Chains of Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE07]1 x  Rust[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e09]2 x  Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e19]2 x  Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1q16]1 x  Leather Gloves[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q15]1 x  Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q23]1 x  Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x  Death Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x  Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q05]1 x  Demonhide Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ05]1 x  Libro Mortuos[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ10]1 x  Meditation Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ03]1 x  Deathshroud Staff[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1i07]2 x  Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i28]1 x  Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]2 x  Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i12]2 x  Force Push[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFI03]2 x  Disarm[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI06]2 x  Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]1 x  Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI01]1 x  Animate Dead[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

Turn 1 (20): mana crystal (5) + ring (5)
Turn 2 (21): move + graveyard (14) (to the centre square near middle) + amulet (4)
Turn 3 (14+1): deploy venomous zombie (7-1-1) + meditate (+3) + qc libro (10)
Turn 4 and beyond - getting zombies out, meditating for mana, cursing oponent...

[Coshade]

Hey there,
Zombie hordes are awesome! The double spawn Necromancer is one of the strongest late game spellbooks out there. An issue it runs is that it is very slow to setup. Most experienced players know how to read the Necromancer and will move in very quickly and derail your setup (usually with 10+ dice scaling up per round starting at the 4 turn). The problem the Necromancer usually faces is they die right as they gain enough power to feel confident again.

Some of your best spells to use to survive - Agony, Brace Yourself, Walls (this might interrupt your 4th turn though)
If you want basic survival Drain Soul and Drain Life go great with the Libro.

There are also Wizards that have great mid and late game builds that decide turn 1 to double move, Wizard's Tower, Jet Stream or Hurl Boulder you and lay on the aggression.

Personally I prefer Malacoda with Skeleton builds. I'm curious if you have success stories with the Zombie horde though! I find that he doesn't have to attack and can just sit in my Necro's zone (or slowly move 1 one with my necro). Force Push, Teleport and Cheetah Speed are great support spells for him.

I would take out your Demonhide Armor and replace it with a Dragonscale or a Storm Drake Hide (not getting stunned will allow you to meditate) Since you have a horde yourself I don't think you need a Damage Barrier (personally I would just take circle of fire or lightning anyway).

I'm curious on Shaggoth-Zora. Do you plan to cast him every game, or is there a contingency to cast him? I assume you want to combo him with the Graveyard.

Have you found the actions to cast the leather equipment? I'm wondering if a Rhino Hide would be better for you since you don't have a Battle Forge.

[Intangible0]

I've ran zombies and it's a blast. I can't stress this enough. Force Wave! If a druid is hnderng you then it may give you a push to rush with the zombe frenzy. I'll try to give more input later.

[JasonBourneZombie]

I'm intrigued by the relatively low number of frenzies without a Mage wand. Do you get the zombies to work well without it each turn in the late game?

[Kazador]

Thanks guys for all your advice, I have changed the book slightly so now it looks like this:

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname][/spellbookname]
[mage]Necromancer[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNA01]2 x  Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j19]1 x  Deathlock[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x  Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j12]1 x  Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ04]1 x  Graveyard[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j11]1 x  Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1c23]1 x  Malacoda[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC23]4 x  Zombie Crawler[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]3 x  Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC12]1 x  Shaggoth-Zora[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC08]1 x  Unstable Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC19]3 x  Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC22]1 x  Zombie Brute[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC04]1 x  Grey Wraith[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC09]2 x  Plague Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC11]1 x  Ravenous Ghoul[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e27]2 x  Marked for Death[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e25]2 x  Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e24]1 x  Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE03]1 x  Arcane Corruption[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e08]1 x  Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e04]1 x  Chains of Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e09]2 x  Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e19]2 x  Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e36]2 x  Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x  Death Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ10]1 x  Storm Drake Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ05]1 x  Libro Mortuos[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ10]1 x  Meditation Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ03]1 x  Deathshroud Staff[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q23]1 x  Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x  Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ06]1 x  Eagleclaw Boots[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNI06]3 x  Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]1 x  Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI01]1 x  Animate Dead[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI04]2 x  Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i07]2 x  Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]2 x  Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i28]1 x  Teleport[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

Is it better?

[Kazador]

I decided to change slightly my book. I am still focusing on double spawnpoint, but I am also concentraded on poison conditions in here.

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Pestilence [/spellbookname]
[mage]Necromancer[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNA01]2 x  Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x  Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j12]1 x  Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ04]1 x  Graveyard[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j11]1 x  Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j19]1 x  Deathlock[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j18]2 x  Poison Gas Cloud[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC05]4 x  Ichthellid[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC19]3 x  Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC04]1 x  Grey Wraith[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC09]2 x  Plague Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]3 x  Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c23]1 x  Malacoda[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC11]1 x  Ravenous Ghoul[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e24]1 x  Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e09]2 x  Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e19]2 x  Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e36]1 x  Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e27]2 x  Marked for Death[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e25]2 x  Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNQ10]1 x  Meditation Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ05]1 x  Libro Mortuos[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x  Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x  Death Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q19]1 x  Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ06]1 x  Eagleclaw Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ03]1 x  Deathshroud Staff[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1i07]2 x  Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]2 x  Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]1 x  Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI06]3 x  Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i28]2 x  Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI04]2 x  Force Wave[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 118 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

What do you guys think?

[Kazador]

The remaining 2 points are for PLAGUED card and I was hoping to include second Drain Soul, but no room left... Could you suggest please what can I cut to put it in?

[JasonBourneZombie]

My advice is that two poison clouds, malacoda, two teleports, two forcewaves, and three frenzies is a lot of point dedication to positioning. Drop a cloud, drop two forcewaves. Two teleports three frenzies and a wand should keep them where you want, and your creatures near them. Consider an enfeebled if you feel that leaves them with too much freedom of movement.

Not sure how often you will be close enough for the staff to help.

My two cents.

[Coshade]

I wouldn't suggest running ichtalids. They are creatures that require a very specific book to work out. Have you played games where you cast them? I'm curious if your normal zombies already do the same things that the Ichtalids do.

[Kazador]

I took them out and replaced them with some other stuff

[Kazador]

After a few games, I really needed to change my zombies and this is the result:

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Zombieland[/spellbookname]
[mage]Necromancer[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j04]1 x  Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW02]2 x  Wall of Bones[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j19]1 x  Deathlock[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j11]1 x  Idol of Pestilence[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC19]3 x  Venomous Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC24]2 x  Zombie Minion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC09]1 x  Plague Zombie[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC22]3 x  Zombie Brute[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e09]2 x  Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE07]2 x  Rust[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e25]2 x  Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e24]2 x  Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e27]1 x  Marked for Death[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e31]2 x  Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e19]3 x  Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e20]2 x  Harmonize[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e29]3 x  Nullify[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNQ10]1 x  Meditation Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q19]2 x  Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ10]1 x  Storm Drake Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ02]1 x  Death Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x  Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q16]1 x  Leather Gloves[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q15]1 x  Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ05]1 x  Libro Mortuos[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ06]1 x  Eagleclaw Boots[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=FWI04]1 x  Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i07]2 x  Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]3 x  Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKI01]2 x  Drain Soul[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI06]3 x  Zombie Frenzy[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i12]2 x  Force Push[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i28]2 x  Teleport[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]

Hopefully it gets better with this book