Enchantment Wardstone vs Harshforge Monolith

[PsyKoStorm]

Exemple:

Player 1 own Harshforge Monolith
Player 2 own 1  enchanter wardstone

Player 2 finish the turn with a creature 1 zone away of the monolith and 6 enchantments on it.

UPKEEP PHASE

Player 2 decide not to pay the upkeep for 2 enchantments

Player 1 Decide not to pay to destroy the enchantment.

Result: No enchantment are destroyed in this situation.


Does player 1 need to pay 2 mana for each enchantment he destroy this way? (I think the answer is yes, because the Upkeep +1 is an ability??? of player 1 and the text and the Wardstone is for spell and ability)

So an other question: What is an ability? (it's not writen in the codex.) I think an ability is the text on a card like a conjuration, equipment, monster effect like the Gray angel sacrifice, etc. (something that stay in the game)

[echephron]

My guess is that player one does not have to pay to get through enchanters wardstone. Player one isnt actively destroying enchantments. he is just adding a cost to maintaining them. dont pay the cost and the enchantments go away.

[Wildhorn]

All enchantment are destroyed.

Harsforge Monolith add "Upkeep +1" on every enchantment. This is a trait added to the enchantments. It has nothing to do with Player 1 trying to dispel them.

[Zuberi]

In general, the game uses the plain english definition of Ability which means "The power or capability to do or act." So it's not really a game term, but the closest thing to a game definition that you will find can be found on page 11 of the English rules v3, where it talks about creatures having special abilities and these being "...described on their card or may appear as an 'ability bar' on there card." So, in general it is card text.

Now, the reason [mwcard=MWSTX1CKJ01]Enchanter's Wardstone[/mwcard] doesn't work against [mwcard=MWSTX2FFJ01]Harshforge Monolith[/mwcard] is because the Monolith's ability doesn't destroy the enchantment. It's ability simply adds a trait to the enchantment. It is then the Enchantment's own trait that is destroying it. Regardless of the fact that it was the Monolith that gave it the Upkeep +1 trait, it is the Enchantment that has the Upkeep +1 trait. So the enchantment is destroying itself with it's own trait.

[PsyKoStorm]

Thank you!

Now it's clear hehe!