Firebrand Imp + Lion Savagery + Teleport = Charge bonus?

[GeorgeFalcon]

 I am wondering if this works because it is a neat trick since teleport isn't hindered for movement.

[GeorgeFalcon]

 sorry i ment wildfire imp =P

[DaveW]

I am wondering if this works because it is a neat trick since teleport isn't hindered for movement.

A Creature must take a move action and move at least one zone in order to get a Charge bonus.

Neither teleporting the Firebrand Imp (movement generated by a spell), nor having the Wildfire Imp use its ability to teleport "instead of" taking a move action will gain either Creature a charge bonus as neither will be using a move action.

A Fast Wildfire Imp could use a teleport instead of a move action (if the prerequisites are met), and then move into an adjacent zone with a second move action (presuming that it was not hindered upon completing its teleport) whereupon it would gain the Charge bonus.

[Zuberi]

DaveW is correct. The definition of Charge states that a creature has to take a move action and move at least 1 zone. The text on Wildfire Imp specifies that the teleport is "instead of" taking a move action, therefore you have not fulfilled that requirement for charge.

It is interesting though, that the text on Blue Gremlin would allow you to gain the charge bonus with it's teleport ability.

[echephron]

teleport does not let you gain the charge bonus.

a list of such answers are here:
http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=14204.0

[Zuberi]

Teleport by itself does not, but as written the Blue Gremlin is actually taking a normal move action while using it's teleport ability. Therefore, it would qualify for the charge bonus. There's nothing in the thread that you linked to that shows otherwise.

Conditions for Charge +X:
1) Takes a Move Action
2) Moves at least 1 Zone

The Blue Gremlin can use it's teleport ability and still satisfy both of these conditions (unlike other similar creatures), so what would be the issue?

[GeorgeFalcon]

 Thanks good to know. i guess ill just have to use bear strength and not have pierce +2 =/

[ringkichard]

Teleport by itself does not, but as written the Blue Gremlin is actually taking a normal move action while using it's teleport ability. Therefore, it would qualify for the charge bonus. There's nothing in the thread that you linked to that shows otherwise.

Conditions for Charge +X:
1) Takes a Move Action
2) Moves at least 1 Zone

The Blue Gremlin can use it's teleport ability and still satisfy both of these conditions (unlike other similar creatures), so what would be the issue?

At first I thought, "Surely this can't be right?"

It's right.

Teleportation is movement, so Teleportation at least one zone is movement at least one zone, and Blue Gremlin does take a move action.

Charging Gremlins! 

[GeorgeFalcon]

 13 mana for charging and piercing Gremlins 

[Laddinfance]

The problem with that is Gremlins were meant to be able to teleport out of things such as tanglevines. If it is a move action then they cannot. I believe the original intention was for them to teleport "instead" of moving. But as that is not the wording right now, carry on. Just fair warning that Blue Gremlin's wording could change to reflect the original card design.

[sIKE]

The problem with that is Gremlins were meant to be able to teleport out of things such as tanglevines. If it is a move action then they cannot. I believe the original intention was for them to teleport "instead" of moving. But as that is not the wording right now, carry on. Just fair warning that Blue Gremlin's wording could change to reflect the original card design.

I think this has already been ruled on some where here in the forums.

[ringkichard]

Somehow I thought we had our cake and ate it too, wrt gremlin teleportation and movement.

[DaveW]

The problem with that is Gremlins were meant to be able to teleport out of things such as tanglevines. If it is a move action then they cannot. I believe the original intention was for them to teleport "instead" of moving. But as that is not the wording right now, carry on. Just fair warning that Blue Gremlin's wording could change to reflect the original card design.

I think this has already been ruled on some where here in the forums.

The last I remember seeing was that the Blue Gremlin's text was going to remain (for a while, at least). BG has issues related to being hindered in conjunction with its teleport that will go away when the text is changed. In the meanwhile, I guess this is the other side of the coin... BG must take a move action to teleport, so it can get the charge in. Interesting.

[sIKE]

So the original thread can be found here:

http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=2137.0

For charge:

http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=2137.15

Once the mana is paid for teleport each move action afterwards (due to the Fast trait) is a teleport so there is no way to gain the Charge trait as a result.

http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=2137.60

This section of the thread says that we are waiting on an update from the rules team for over a year.

[jacksmack]

How sad... i still dont know if blue gremlin can charge or not with teleport.