How to beat a NEC mage with 6armor & veteran belt

[timer000]

I have play many game with my friend.
My friend 'nec spellbook dont have any spawn point!!!
and only having 2 skull knight creature in his spellbook.
No other creature!

he have
 
battle forge  x1
armor  x2
leather boot  x1
leather glove x1
rhino hide x2
veteran belt x3
mage wand  x2
healing wand x2

because he is a nec,
he have death link
regrown enchantment
he can heaL 4 life each turn...



This always be  a really long game when i fighting with him.
I always try to rush him very soon.
(he always stand in the corner,and dont  leave it)

When I kill his ceraure(some skull knight with eternal servent ),
and giving him about 20 damage.
Then he finish his super equip set , and no creature can damge him anymore.

Because of he have 6 armor + veteran belt + death link + regrown enchantment
I have  a lot of creature in play,but cannot give him any damage ><

then he start to attack me with his weak melee attack. and some curse.
Or killing my every creature in my spell book  in a very slow process.
Maybe the game will take 30 turn or more.
but he will win after 2 ~3hour.


And my poision blood or any direct damage curse cannot work on him effective.
(beacuse nec's poison immune ability, and some mage like druid & beastman dont having curse..)

It is very very slow game,

Once I did beated him with  2 or more  acid spell(but now he have a wand of healing for currode )
My resolve always work on his mage wand x2(blinding  with dispel & dissolve )



Today he just stand there, and use mage wand to "drain life"  again and again to kill me.
(my resolve worked on his another mage wand,and his another veteran belt in early game)



I have try to beat his battle forge with"force hammer" and "surge wave" in early game,
But it is not really help!!


I  copyed some race chamion's deck in this web to fight him.
But almost every chamion deck be beated by him after 2~3 hour-_-.

May someone give me a advance for beating him> <
More super aggresive rush?
 (dont care about his creature ,only force on himself??)


Thanks

[Lord0fWinter]

Where does he cast the Battle Forge? His starting corner?

[timer000]

Yes... Battle forge is always in his corner

[Aylin]

You'll want 3-4 Dissolve and 3-4 Acid Balls depending on your mage. 3 Acid Balls should reduce a 6 armour creature down to 1 (negating the Veteran's Belt). As soon as any Wands of Healing come out you need to Dissolve them quickly.

Direct Damage is also an option; Force Crush, Magebane, Burn Tokens, and Bleed Tokens are all effective against a Necromancer (possibly include Deathlock to prevent the Necromancer healing). You don't actually need to inflict damage to cause Bleed tokens for example, the d12 just needs to roll high enough...

Force Push/Teleporting him out of range of the Battle Forge and then restraining him is also an option for dealing with it, though it can be hard to pull off.

[timer000]

You'll want 3-4 Dissolve and 3-4 Acid Balls depending on your mage. 3 Acid Balls should reduce a 6 armour creature down to 1 (negating the Veteran's Belt). As soon as any Wands of Healing come out you need to Dissolve them quickly.

Direct Damage is also an option; Force Crush, Magebane, Burn Tokens, and Bleed Tokens are all effective against a Necromancer (possibly include Deathlock to prevent the Necromancer healing). You don't actually need to inflict damage to cause Bleed tokens for example, the d12 just needs to roll high enough...

I did try....
So his dispel only force on something like "Force Crush","Magebane"
I know 3-4 disolve is a good solution.
But this is a uncommon chance in any mage's spellbook.

It seems a perfect mage....
To beat every champion deck...= =

[IndyPendant]

A mage can't have two of the same item equipped.  This is includes Mage Wands, even if they're in different slots.  I mention it just in case you meant he had one with Dispel and one with Dissolve at the same time.

Now, to the suggestions:
--Dispel his enchantments.  Remove Regrowth and Death Link; no regen.  Pack up to four Dispels and a Dispel Wand.

--Limit his mobility.  Tanglevine him once the creatures are dead, or curse him with Enfeeble, and keep out of range of his Drain Life.  Let your creatures whittle him down.

--Get rid of key equipment.  Focus your Dissolves on the items that matter: Wands and Belts.  Pack more Dissolves.

--Pack some Acid Balls to reduce his armour. 

--Use Nullifies to keep him from enchanting himself.  Might even be worth packing a Steal Enchantment or Purge Magic, in this situation.

--Add some Falcon Precision enchantments of your own, to deal with the Knights' Defense rolls.

--Once his Knights are dead (and you have a few creatures on the board) play a Deathlock.  He can't gain life, he can't regenerate.

--Put Walls in between your mages, but not in between him and your creatures.

--Ignore his Knights entirely: if they're Guarding, use Tanglevine, Pushes, and Teleports to isolate his mage from his creatures.

That's just off the top of my head; I'm sure others can come up with more ideas.

[ringkichard]

3-4 dissolves isn't uncommon. It's mandatory.
Aylin's suggestion of Deathlock is a good one, also.

What sort of spellbook are you playing?

[sIKE]

Get a creature in his start corner, then push him out of it and wall it off early. You could play a Priest or Priestess and use Divine Intervention to move him to your start corner early and then use an Acid Ball to drop the armor on the BF and then hit it with Water based attack spells.

Make a Dissolve Wand and just Dissolve his equipment, carry 4 wands and 6 Dissolves. Make sure to have your creatures kill any Ward Stones and Dispel Armor Ward when it comes out. In the interim have a creature(s) focus on the Battle Forge. Focus on Dissolving the buffs first like the Belt and then the Healing Wand, then armor. He will have to react at some point and get out of his turtle.

Like someone else said bring on creatures that have attacks that place effects like Rot, Bleed, and Burn. The effect roll just has to succeed to be effective.

Curses work too (also mentioned), add in a Finite Life conjuration so he doesn't heal. Then let the Direct Damage (and the creatures effects above maybe) take him down.

So Warlord is good for this also as Piercing is very effective against high armor, FiF has the Crossbowmen (Piercing +2) and the Battle Order Take Aim gives Piercing +2 so Piercing +4. Put on the Helm of Command and bind Piercing Strike to it. Bring out Grimson, hit him with a Hawkeye place him two zones out, then give him Take Aim and Piercing Strike (for a total of Piercing +5) and blast away. You can choose to take out the BF first or just to shoot the mage. This will have to wait until June though.....

Just some ideas...

A mage can't have two of the same item equipped.  This is includes Mage Wands, even if they're in different slots.  I mention it just in case you meant he had one with Dispel and one with Dissolve at the same time.

There is a wand called Dispel Wand and then you can bind Dissolve to a Mage Wand and that way you can carry both.

[Aylin]

@sIKE

Rot is a Poison effect, so it isn't useful in this discussion.

[sIKE]

I missed that the mage was a Necro...so yeah Poison effects will not work in this scenario. But on other high armored Mages poison is a highly effective Direct Damage effect.

[Wildhorn]

Use a creature that has Devour. That way he can't use his eternal servant ability.

Get Kralator with 4 bobcats to feed him then send Kralator on his servant. Then the mage will be cake even with 6 armor.

[timer000]

I missed that the mage was a Necro...so yeah Poison effects will not work in this scenario. But on other high armored Mages poison is a highly effective Direct Damage effect.

My friend once play other high armor mage.(ex: warlord & wizard)
But we always try to beat him by  "poision blood" & "rot" & "ghoul rot"
So he change to be a high armor NEC.
And NEC is work much well & strong than other high armor mage....

bleed & burn does not work well on a high armor mage.

Bleed can be heal by regrown or death link.
Burn is not easy to put on him with dragonscale hauberk.(he has 2 dragonscale hauberk in spellbook)

The key solution is poision blood & rot ....

But all cannot work on NEC...

[timer000]

3-4 dissolves isn't uncommon. It's mandatory.
Aylin's suggestion of Deathlock is a good one, also.

What sort of spellbook are you playing?

Now only "very Aggressive" mage have chance to beat him...
Other mage which is not "very Aggressive" type cannot win him at all in my opion.

I did try destory battle forge in early game....
But it seems give much help....
Because it will cost me a lot of mana to use "surge wave" &  "force hammer"  ,
then I cannot play in a very aggressive style.
Maybe need more test...

I have a  Aggressive priest.
This priest will start game  with bloodstone & battle forge.
and try to beat down enemy.
But this priest is very hard to win.
Beacuse I cannot give him any light damage to put burn token in middle game ,alought I have 7 dice attack.
(NEC with cloak of shadow)

Bloodstone can damge this NEC 1 damage per turn in average .
I will use bear strength on bloodstone,but he always put agony on bloodstone,too.
When Bloodstone is killed , I am lose.



Other,I have a Aggressive druid.
This druid will start game  with vine tree and bear.
And rush enemy as soon as poisible!!!
This druid have more chance to win.
because this druid have more disolve & disolve ability plant &  acid spell







I have try
Forrest - Johktari Beastmaster .
Matt - Priestess.
( http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=13044.0 )

Thomas forcemaster.
(http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=13718.msg31266#msg31266)

All this chmapion mage is hard to win.
But i think i dont use  this chmapion mage very well.

[klaymen]

Bleed can be heal by regrown or death link.

It can, unless you use Deathlock or another means to put Finite Life on your opponent as has been suggested before.

[Aylin]

Bleed + Deathlock will be very effective. Force Crush is another 2 damage per round, and will keep him away from your conjuration. Use an Intercept creature to defend it against ranged attacks.

And in ANY books, 3-4 Dispels, 3-4 Dissolves, 2-4 Teleports. There is no excuse to not take at least that.