Timing questions

[Tim]

hi there,

I was wondering how effects in upkeep phase take place. For example: I have a thornlasher (regen 2) with 4 burns on it and 8 damage. Since it is important to know because if you can regen first, then your monster can live.
What is the order of effect and were does it depend on? I think it is the choice who has initiative that determines the order or is this incorrect?

The same with vine tree with lifebond. Example: when does the transfer damage take place, before or after the regen 2 from tree. If the opponent had initiative and he determines the order, may he then say, you first regen 2 on tree then you may transfer damage?

Thanks in advanced!

[Aylin]

hi there,

I was wondering how effects in upkeep phase take place. For example: I have a thornlasher (regen 2) with 4 burns on it and 8 damage. Since it is important to know because if you can regen first, then your monster can live.
What is the order of effect and were does it depend on? I think it is the choice who has initiative that determines the order or is this incorrect?

The same with vine tree with lifebond. Example: when does the transfer damage take place, before or after the regen 2 from tree. If the opponent had initiative and he determines the order, may he then say, you first regen 2 on tree then you may transfer damage?

Thanks in advanced!

The person who controls the creature makes the decision about what happens first.

So if it's your Thornlasher, you can just have it regen first, then take damage.


The only exception to that is when something affects both players, like Death Link. In that case, the player with initiative decides what happens first.

[jacksmack]

The only exception to that is when something affects both players, like Death Link. In that case, the player with initiative decides what happens first.

I translate this into:
If the warlock has initiative then he can put the damage from deathlink on the creature BEFORE it can regenerate. And potentially kill it before it regens.
If a creature with regenerate does not die from deathlink then it will have time to regenerate before doing other stuff such as rot, bleed burn etc.


If the warlock does not have initiative, then he can leave a full HP creature wounded for the round - because the regen goes off before the deathlink puts the damage.

Correct?
I do not believe he gets to choose "what happends first or last".

[Zuberi]

I don't have the books in hand at the moment to point you to a page, but he does get to choose.

[DarthDadaD20]

CHAPTER FOUR: THE GAME ROUND Pg. 11

You always choose the order in
which events that affect your
creatures and objects occur
during this phase. In the rare
case that a timing issue occurs,
the player with the initiative
decides the order.
Example: You control a Highland
Unicorn with the Regenerate 2 trait
that has a Burn marker on it. Since
the creature has a lot of damage on
it, the Burn effect could destroy
it. You can choose to resolve the
Regenerate trait first, before the
Burn effect.

[Tim]

Thanks for the reply everyone!
A special thanks to DarthDadaD20.

[Aylin]

If the warlock does not have initiative, then he can leave a full HP creature wounded for the round - because the regen goes off before the deathlink puts the damage.

Correct?
I do not believe he gets to choose "what happends first or last".

Nope, in that caseif the Warlock does not have initiative, the opponent would have the Deathlink happen first, then it would regen potentially putting it at full health (dependent on how much damage was transferred with Deathlink and what level of regen it is).

[DarthDadaD20]

Thanks for the reply everyone!
A special thanks to DarthDadaD20.

 

[isel]

It´s the same if i have idol of pestilence? my oponent (druid) can choose heal first of after idol affect their creatures? thanks

[tarkin84]

Yes.

[isel]

CHAPTER FOUR: THE GAME ROUND Pg. 11

You always choose the order in
which events that affect your
creatures and objects occur
during this phase. In the rare
case that a timing issue occurs,
the player with the initiative
decides the order.

What its a rare case of timig for this occur? (choose initiave player)

[Zuberi]

When something happens that affects both players. Such as my opponent's goblin bomber dying to a burn and exploding. Does this happen before or after my creature has had a chance to regenerate? If before, my creature may die as well. Normally he chooses when the burn takes effect but I choose when regenerate does. We have a conflict so initiative decides.

Such things don't happen often currently, but it's good that such rules exist for when they do.

[Shad0w]

It is rare but it does happen and that is why we wanted that in place

[isel]

Them when i asked for pestilence-regeneration i believe the initiative player choose the efect, ok? in this case don´t apply the rule "the owners creature choose the order"...

[Zuberi]

The creatures owner does choose when to apply effects that affect their creature, always. If pestilence is in play, initiative generally still does not matter. I would choose when to take the pestilence damage for my creatures and you would choose for your creatures.

Going back to my example, you would choose when to apply the burn damage to your goblin bomber and I would choose when to regenerate my creature. However, I would like to regenerate before you take damage, and you would like to take damage before I regenerate. We both are still deciding for our own creatures but we disagree on when they occur relative to one another because it can affect what happens to each other. Make sense?