Force Push and Wall of Pikes (and Wall of thorns)

[BoomFrog]

If I cast force push and push a creature through a wall of pikes in the direction that does not trigger the attack do I still have to pay the extra 3 mana since the wall technically has the passage attacks symbol?

Same question when pushing a level 1 creature through a wall of thorns.

Logically I think you should not have to pay but technically I believe you do.

Thanks. 

[Wildhorn]

It has been confirmed for the Wall of Spikes that you do NOT pay.
For wall of thorns with level 1 creature, I have no idea. My guess would be no.

[DeckBuilder]

You have to pay extra mana if you want to push through a Wall with the Passage Attack trait
Wall of Pikes only has the Passage Attack trait in 1 direction
Wall of Thorns only has the Passage Attack trait for level 2+ creatures
Therefore you don't pay for it in cases where there is no Passage Attack on the target moved

Hope that helps

[wtcannonjr]

You have to pay extra mana if you want to push through a Wall with the Passage Attack trait
Wall of Pikes only has the Passage Attack trait in 1 direction
Wall of Thorns only has the Passage Attack trait for level 2+ creatures
Therefore you don't pay for it in cases where there is no Passage Attack on the target moved

Hope that helps

But the Passage Attack still is triggered for a Level 1 creature. It just results in an attack of 0 dice, based on the effect of the specific Passage Attack. So I would say you still pay the extra mana for level 1 to keep the rule simple and consistent.

If a tree falls in a forest and no dice are thrown ...

[BoomFrog]

It has been confirmed for the Wall of Spikes that you do NOT pay.
For wall of thorns with level 1 creature, I have no idea. My guess would be no.

  Could anyone point out where it has been officially confirmed that Wall of Pikes does not make you pay to push through the "safe" way?

Wall of Thorns specifically says "a level 1 creature is not attacked" so it's not an "attack for 0 dice".

The reason I still want an offical ruling though is because although the wall doesn't attack it still is "a wall with the passage attacks trait" which is what force push is technically checking.

[haslo]

It has been confirmed for the Wall of Spikes that you do NOT pay.
For wall of thorns with level 1 creature, I have no idea. My guess would be no.

  Could anyone point out where it has been officially confirmed that Wall of Pikes does not make you pay to push through the "safe" way?

In the Official Rules & Codex Supplement (aka FAQ), which states on page 48...

Whenever a card references “Pushing or passing through a wall with the Passage Attack trait”, it only refers to the direction of Wall of Pikes which would attack the object.

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