Obliterate and markers from mages.

[vlad3theimpaler]

Several Mages have reusable markers that they can place on creatures.  Beastmaster's Pet, Warlock's Bloodreaper, Priest's Holy Avenger, and Necromancer's Eternal Servant all say that they can be placed on a new creature if the current one is destroyed.
How does that interact with Obliterate?
Obliterate
When you obliterate an object, it is utterly destroyed, leaving no
trace. The object is destroyed, then it is removed from the game.
It does not become discarded or get returned to a spellbook. Any
ability or effect printed on that object, or attached
to it (such as a marker or enchantment), which triggers on destruction, is
canceled.
Other destruction effects, not attached to or part of the Obliterated
object, can still occur.

Do the markers get returned to the mage, or are they removed from the game?

[jacksmack]

returned to the mage.

[Zuberi]

Obliterate only removes its target from the game. The effects of of objects attached to the target are unable to trigger, but the objects attached to the target are otherwise unaffected by obliterate. Enchantments attached to it are still sent to the discard pile, cantrips attached to it are still returned to your spellbook, and the ability markers are returned to your mage.

[vlad3theimpaler]

Obliterate only removes its target from the game. The effects of of objects attached to the target are unable to trigger, but the objects attached to the target are otherwise unaffected by obliterate. Enchantments attached to it are still sent to the discard pile, cantrips attached to it are still returned to your spellbook, and the ability markers are returned to your mage.

Regarding Cantrips in particular, that doesn't seem right.

Cantrip
Whenever this spell is destroyed, return it to the owner’s spellbook instead of their
discard pile

Wouldn't that be an ability attached to it that triggers on destruction?

[Zuberi]

For example, we have a Cantrip Enchantment attached to a Creature about to be Obliterated.

The Cantrip ability has nothing to do with the Creature and does not trigger upon its destruction. The Cantrip ability is only interested in the Enchantment and triggers upon the Enchantment's destruction. Therefore, when the Creature is obliterated, it gets removed from the game, and nothing printed on the Creature or attached to the Creature is able to trigger. Then, the Enchantment is destroyed because the object it was attached to got destroyed. At this point the Cantrip ability triggers.

[sIKE]

The new FAQ covers this, the Cantrip is removed from the game also.

[Zuberi]

The new FAQ covers this, the Cantrip is removed from the game also.

Incorrect. The FAQ states that if the Cantrip is obliterated it is removed from the game. We are not talking about the Cantrip being obliterated, we are talking about the object the Cantrip is attached to being obliterated.

[sIKE]

but the objects attached to the target are otherwise unaffected by obliterate.

Incorrect, you were talking about objects (like Enchantments that have the Cantrip trait), if a Cantrip is attached to an Object (like a Creature) and said Object is Obliterated the Cantrip will also be Destroyed and removed from the game as per the FAQ.

[Zuberi]

There is no place in the FAQ that states when an object is obliterated that everything attached to that object is also obliterated. The FAQ only states that Cantrips can be obliterated, but they still must be the target of the obliterate effect for that to occur.

[sIKE]

There is no place in the FAQ that states when an object is obliterated that everything attached to that object is also obliterated. The FAQ only states that Cantrips can be obliterated, but they still must be the target of the obliterate effect for that to occur.

If a spell with the Cantrip trait would be discarded or destroyed for any reason (including being countered), it is instead returned to its owners spellbook. Exception: The Obliterate effect destroys an object and removes it from the game. Obliterate will remove a Cantrip spell from the game.

So you are saying that the Obliterate effect has to target the "Cantrip" in order for it to be Destroyed? I read this and get something totally different.

Currently all of the Cantrip's the are available are on the mage, so if he is Obliterated the game is over any way. The only thing I can think of at the moment would be Seedling Pod when the Samara Tree is out has the Cantrip trait. In this case what we both are saying is 100% accurate. If the Devouring Jelly made a successful attack that reduced the Seedling Pods Life to 0 it would then be Devoured and then Destroyed and then removed from the game.

What I am not sure about and what we are debating is more future leaning, if an Enchantment with the Cantrip trait can and is attached to a non-mage creature and it were to be Destroyed, would the Enchantment with the Cantrip trait also be Destroyed?

My argument would be that since the Enchantment with the Cantrip is an Object and is attached to a Creature which is also an Object that is Devoured and Destroyed the attached Enchantment would fall under the exception above. But, I could see a ruling coming down on the side too, divining Arcanus's thoughts on topics as such has proven to be very difficult......

[Zuberi]

Truth. Our discussion is a bit theoretical at this point in the game and slightly off topic. Perhaps we should shelve it until such time as it becomes relevant.

My original point was, that obliterate only removes the object it targets from the game. Ignoring cantrips for the time being since they currently can not be impacted, I believe we can agree that this is true for everything else. Anything attached to the object that was obliterated is sent to it's appropriate destination. Enchantments are sent to the discard pile and ability markers are returned to their owner.

[Wildhorn]

There is no place in the FAQ that states when an object is obliterated that everything attached to that object is also obliterated. The FAQ only states that Cantrips can be obliterated, but they still must be the target of the obliterate effect for that to occur.

If a spell with the Cantrip trait would be discarded or destroyed for any reason (including being countered), it is instead returned to its owners spellbook. Exception: The Obliterate effect destroys an object and removes it from the game. Obliterate will remove a Cantrip spell from the game.

So you are saying that the Obliterate effect has to target the "Cantrip" in order for it to be Destroyed? I read this and get something totally different.

Currently all of the Cantrip's the are available are on the mage, so if he is Obliterated the game is over any way. The only thing I can think of at the moment would be Seedling Pod when the Samara Tree is out has the Cantrip trait. In this case what we both are saying is 100% accurate. If the Devouring Jelly made a successful attack that reduced the Seedling Pods Life to 0 it would then be Devoured and then Destroyed and then removed from the game.

What I am not sure about and what we are debating is more future leaning, if an Enchantment with the Cantrip trait can and is attached to a non-mage creature and it were to be Destroyed, would the Enchantment with the Cantrip trait also be Destroyed?

My argument would be that since the Enchantment with the Cantrip is an Object and is attached to a Creature which is also an Object that is Devoured and Destroyed the attached Enchantment would fall under the exception above. But, I could see a ruling coming down on the side too, divining Arcanus's thoughts on topics as such has proven to be very difficult......

The Seedling Pod would NOT be Devoured because Devour only affect Creatures.

[sIKE]

True True so many interactions

[baronzaltor]

Several Mages have reusable markers that they can place on creatures.  Beastmaster's Pet, Warlock's Bloodreaper, Priest's Holy Avenger, and Necromancer's Eternal Servant all say that they can be placed on a new creature if the current one is destroyed.
How does that interact with Obliterate?
Obliterate
When you obliterate an object, it is utterly destroyed, leaving no
trace. The object is destroyed, then it is removed from the game.
It does not become discarded or get returned to a spellbook. Any
ability or effect printed on that object, or attached
to it (such as a marker or enchantment), which triggers on destruction, is
canceled.
Other destruction effects, not attached to or part of the Obliterated
object, can still occur.

Do the markers get returned to the mage, or are they removed from the game?

To specify on the Blood Reaper/Pet/Avenger/Eternal Servant/Wounded Prey style markers..

Those do not get Obliterated with the creature because they are not game Objects (in the game rules sense).   The Blood Reaper ability is part of the Warlock himself, the Token simply tracks which creature he designated to operate that ability through.  So when the Blood Reaper gets Devoured, the token is returned because the Warlock's ability to make a new Blood Reaper was not devoured. 

If a Beastmaster marked a creature as Wounded Prey, then that creature was devoured, she wouldn't lose her Wounded Prey marker because its not an Object and so it has no interaction with the Devour/Obliterate mechanic.   The only way for her to lose her Wounded Prey Marker would be for her to somehow lose access to the Wounded Prey ability (and even then she would still have the Marker, there would just be no way for her to use it.)
 

[Shad0w]

Obliterate only removes its target from the game.

The effects of of objects attached to the target are unable to trigger, but the objects attached to the target (like enchantments) are otherwise unaffected by obliterate. Enchantments attached to it are still sent to the discard pile.

If we had an Incant that said Obliterate target enchantment or Equipment. It would stop Force Blade and Barkskin cantrip effect