Equipment Control

[aquestrion]

if  you put an equipment on an enemy mage and he cast an equipment in the same slot the first equipment goes into the owners spell book.

[zot]

   Not sure this is the case. I don't have the rulebook handy to quote it, but I believe it mentions if you cast an item and you have an item in that slot, you return the other to your book, not the owners book.

[Doma0997]

   Not sure this is the case. I don't have the rulebook handy to quote it, but I believe it mentions if you cast an item and you have an item in that slot, you return the other to your book, not the owners book.

Page 20 in the updated rulebook, page 22 if using the pdf (yay phone saves). Returns to owners spellbook, so whoever brought it to the match.

[aquestrion]

Try for clarifying that

[ringkichard]

To necro this thread, I noticed today that with Enchantment Transfusion, you might actually want to control your opponent's Sectarus because you intend to give back him all those curses (which you control). It's a bass-ackward combo that's probably better categorized as a stupid Mage Wars Trick, but it's not completely nonsense.

[Kharhaz]

To necro this thread, I noticed today that with Enchantment Transfusion, you might actually want to control your opponent's Sectarus because you intend to give back him all those curses (which you control). It's a bass-ackward combo that's probably better categorized as a stupid Mage Wars Trick, but it's not completely nonsense.

Sectarus is never in control of the spells it cast.
(pg 16 ye ol' rulebook)
"You control all spells your familiar cast."

So that combo would not work

[ringkichard]

Er,  I can see the confusion.

1. Opponent attacks you with Sectarus which you control. The Sectarus you control casts Ghoul Rot on you, face down.
2. Next turn, opponent attacks and Sectarus casts Magebind on you.
3. Next turn, opponent attacks and Sectarus casts enfeeble.
4. Since you control all those face down curses, you cast Enchantment Transfusion on yourself and move them all to your opponent, revealing them as desired.

It relies on your opponent misplaying, so it's stupid, but it shows ghetto nature of the interaction and is something to keep in mind for future development.

[Kharhaz]

Negative.

When Sectaurs is stolen you are no longer the controller and can not prepare spells for it. Any spell cast belongs to the owner of sectarus.


Example:

You have sectarus and prepare ghoul rot.

I steal equipment sectarus (which has your prepared ghoul rot)

I attack you with sectarus and use his ability to cast his prepared spell (with it's mana or mine). At that point it becomes my hidden ghoul rot (as per the rules on Familiars), courtesy of your spellbook.

If you steal it back next turn the hidden ghoul rot is still mine as the control does not follow the familiar.

[Kharhaz]

Here is another example of control and familiars.

You (Warlord) prepare a battleforge on your goblin builder.

I (Forcemaster) mind control your goblin builder.

MY goblin builder uses a full round action to cast battleforge (which I pay for)

That is my battleforge, courtesy of your spellbook.

[Shad0w]

So is it clear?

Does anybody have any other questions?

[ringkichard]

I think we're talking past each other. The situation I have in mind is that Alice has control of the Sectarus attached to Bob. This happened either because Alice directly cast Sectarus on Bob or because of the Steal Equipment + Armor Ward interaction.

Alice controls Sectarus, and chooses spells for it. Bob attacks with it, which he can do because it's attached to him and so gives him a 4 die attack. Since it's Alice's familiar, Alice provides the spells (except maybe the first one) from her spellbook, and the extra Mana from her pool. Because Alice controls the familiar, she controls the spells it casts. Because she controls those spells, she can move them with Enchantment Transfusion.

[Kharhaz]

Sneaky Gibralter Monkey!!!!

I see now; very silly