Incapacitate?

[sdougla2]

While Knockdown helps with defenses, I'm unclear on how it helps with daze/stun.

[sIKE]

It has the same effect on your opponent, when the opposing mage daze/stuns you, you can counter with the same effect. In swarm type games not a help but in Agro/Rush or Big Creature it can be quite effective....

[sdougla2]

But Knockdown doesn't prevent the creature from moving/acting, so the benefit is much narrower and not really very impressive against someone that's just hitting you in the face repeatedly with Staff of Asyra/Temple of Light. It helps you get past defenses, get past guards, get past a hindering creature, or get at a flyer, but it really doesn't do anything useful against solo beatdown aside from bypassing a defense.

[sIKE]

The target creature is Incapacitated.

And quoting Darth quoting the Rulebook:

An Incapacitated creature cannot take any actions, including moving, attacking, guarding, casting spells, r counterstriking. It cannot use any Defenses, and if a guard marker is on the creature, it is removed immediately. A Flying creature loses the Flying trait as long as it is Incapacitated. Any Damage Barrier on an Incapacitated creature continues to function normally. An Incapacitated creature cannot hinder the movement of enemies. Other creatures may ignore an Incapacitated creature.

So it is very effective at disrupting timing of the opposing mage....imho...

[Hedge]

yes and right there next to it on the card its says "UNTIL THE BEGINING OF ITS NEXT ACTION PHASE" the incapacitate from knockdown is completely different than being stunned or incapacitated from  other effects. I agree with sdougla2.  I see no way that it can significantly help against the staff or Temple of Light.

[Tacullu64]

I really don't think the intention of the original statement was to indicate Knockdown would help against the SOA or TOL, at least that is not how I took it. I took it as meaning incapacitate is really good and since I don't have access to SOA or TOL I will sometimes use Knockdown instead.

[sdougla2]

I really don't think the intention of the original statement was to indicate Knockdown would help against the SOA or TOL, at least that is not how I took it. I took it as meaning incapacitate is really good and since I don't have access to SOA or TOL I will sometimes use Knockdown instead.

That makes a lot more sense.

[Hedge]

I really don't think the intention of the original statement was to indicate Knockdown would help against the SOA or TOL, at least that is not how I took it. I took it as meaning incapacitate is really good and since I don't have access to SOA or TOL I will sometimes use Knockdown instead.

Well, it certainly seems that is the way sIKE sees it. Also I don't even see why it came into the duscussion. he should certainly have a few in his solo decks for the occasional Infinite defense characters and a few various other Pesky characters. It however does nothing agaisnt  most other characters and especially mages for that matter.

[sdougla2]

The target creature is Incapacitated.

And quoting Darth quoting the Rulebook:

An Incapacitated creature cannot take any actions, including moving, attacking, guarding, casting spells, r counterstriking. It cannot use any Defenses, and if a guard marker is on the creature, it is removed immediately. A Flying creature loses the Flying trait as long as it is Incapacitated. Any Damage Barrier on an Incapacitated creature continues to function normally. An Incapacitated creature cannot hinder the movement of enemies. Other creatures may ignore an Incapacitated creature.

So it is very effective at disrupting timing of the opposing mage....imho...

The primary benefit of stun is the action advantage it grants. If your opponent is stunned, they can't run away/chase you except with Teleport/Force Push, they can't attack you directly, they can't summon creatures (except the Beastmaster), they can't cast full round attack spells like Chain Lightning... Those advantages are not granted by Knockdown. In a solo melee beatdown match between 2 mages, stun is incredible and Knockdown is an inefficient Falcon Precision.

[Shad0w]

The reason for knock down in a solo build is using the quick cast does not pass priority to the other players so you can KD and take creature with defense or you can KD remove a guard and hit the other Mage. The reason behind KD stating beginning is a balance issue. IF we did not do this you could stun lock a mage.  

[DarthDadaD20]

It has it uses. I still hate it.

[Lightseed]

any1 know how i can get rid of weak tokens ? such as those put by the gorgon archer? OR any poison markers at all, most tokens just go away on their own, but poison tokens don't .

[sdougla2]

Priestess innate ability, Purify, or Healing Wand (promo card).

[DarthDadaD20]

Purify. Or play the priestess.


Beat me to it sdougla2!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

     

 :angry:

[Shad0w]

Healing wand was a combined design from Bryan and I hope you all like it.