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Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: jacksmack on January 24, 2014, 04:18:39 PM
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Question:
My priest gets attacked by a grizzly.
My priest summons a holy avenger Knight of Westlock.
QC Rouse Beast.
Do the HA buff kick in for the knight vs the grizzly in this round?
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I *think* it gets the ability.
The Holy Avenger ability is keyed to the Priest, not the Token (IE, its an ability on his card and so has been in play already. The token isn't an "enchantment" carrying the buff). So when the named Holy Avenger gets his attack, all the criteria has been met to trigger the bonus.
So, to the best of my knowledge it works.
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Question:
My priest gets attacked by a grizzly and is damaged by the attack
My priest summons a holy avenger Knight of Westlock.
QC Rouse Beast.
Do the HA buff kick in for the knight vs the grizzly in this round?
I agree with Baron. But made one clarification.
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Question:
My priest gets attacked by a grizzly and is damaged by the attack
My priest summons a holy avenger Knight of Westlock.
QC Rouse Beast.
Do the HA buff kick in for the knight vs the grizzly in this round?
I agree with Baron. But made one clarification.
lol... as if grizzlies ever attack and dont do damage.
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Question:
My priest gets attacked by a grizzly and is damaged by the attack
My priest summons a holy avenger Knight of Westlock.
QC Rouse Beast.
Do the HA buff kick in for the knight vs the grizzly in this round?
I agree with Baron. But made one clarification.
lol... as if grizzlies ever attack and dont do damage.
Revealed Block/Reverse Attack, successful Defense, ~0.05% chance all 7 dice roll a blank.
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Question:
My priest gets attacked by a grizzly and is damaged by the attack
My priest summons a holy avenger Knight of Westlock.
QC Rouse Beast.
Do the HA buff kick in for the knight vs the grizzly in this round?
I agree with Baron. But made one clarification.
lol... as if grizzlies ever attack and dont do damage.
Revealed Block/Reverse Attack, successful Defense, ~0.05% chance all 7 dice roll a blank.
doesnt happen to my grizzly's
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I don't think HA ability kicks because it was timestampped after the damage was dealt, but I'm always wrong
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"Each round, the first time it melee attacks an enemy creature, if that creature attacked and damaged another friendly creature or holy conjuration this round, it gains melee +2 and piercing +1 for that attack."
All of the conditions are met for the avenger to get the bonus so it sounds good to me.
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I agree that holy avenger would get its bonus, but that brings an interesting question to my mind. If the bear had attacked and killed an existing holy avenger, then I summoned and roused a new holy avenger the same round, would it get the bonus against the bear?
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I agree that holy avenger would get its bonus, but that brings an interesting question to my mind. If the bear had attacked and killed an existing holy avenger, then I summoned and roused a new holy avenger the same round, would it get the bonus against the bear?
Why, I would think so.....
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I agree that holy avenger would get its bonus, but that brings an interesting question to my mind. If the bear had attacked and killed an existing holy avenger, then I summoned and roused a new holy avenger the same round, would it get the bonus against the bear?
"The first time it melee attacks an enemy creature....."
It here referring to the creature that the holy avenger ability is attached to.
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Hmmm,
If the previous HA had already attacked and got its HA bonus, then get killed and you summon and rouse a new HA, would that new HA get the bonus? Does the "it" refer to the creature or the HA?
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Hmmm,
If the previous HA had already attacked and got its HA bonus, then get killed and you summon and rouse a new HA, would that new HA get the bonus? Does the "it" refer to the creature or the HA?
The dead HA could and would be considered a friendly creature.
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Hmmm,
If the previous HA had already attacked and got its HA bonus, then get killed and you summon and rouse a new HA, would that new HA get the bonus? Does the "it" refer to the creature or the HA?
The dead HA could and would be considered a friendly creature.
i know that, that was not my question.
My question is, the "it" in "The first time it melee attacks...", does it refers to the creature or the HA to know if it was its first melee attack.
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Yes, this looks to me like it works. I think the rule as written is pretty clear. You could even probably get the bonus with a first Holy Avenger, and if it died also get the bonus with a second new roused Holy Avenger.
The rule doesn't accumulate knowledge about the past, it just checks trigger conditions when it resolves. If that happens more than once a turn, so be it.
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My question is, the "it" in "The first time it melee attacks...", does it refers to the creature or the HA to know if it was its first melee attack.
"It" refers to the creature always. With ability or trait in Mage Wars the "it" refers to the attached creature.
The HA ability works like this:
When the creature with HA melee attacks it asks, "Is this the first time it (the creature) melee attacked this round?" If yes then it asks "Did the target attack and damage a friendly creature or holy conjuration this round?" If yes, it gets the bonus.
That series of questions follows the HA marker. If another HA is summoned in a round and it makes a melee attack, like say with a altar of the iron guard, then those questions get asked again and are specific to the new HA creatures previous actions in that round.
I hope that helps and not added more confusion.....
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From this wording
"Each round, the first time it melee attacks an enemy creature, if that creature attacked and damaged another friendly creature or holy conjuration this round, it gains melee +2 and piercing +1 for that attack."
Yes