Using Attack Spells as the Warlord

[Tacullu64]

This is a total of 14 dice attack (16 with hawkeye) that your opponnent cant reply with outside of enchantment revealing and most likely a slam on them too.

I don't believe that Hawkeye works this way. It gives a Creature +1 Ranged ability. I believe that it doesn't stack with spells.

Hawkeye gives a creature Ranged +1

V2.0 of the rule book states on page 23:

Ranged +X
This creature gains + X attack dice when it makes a ranged attack. If the attack makes multiple attacks against the same or different objects, it gains this bonus only for the first attack it can make with this bonus. Has no effect on zone attacks. Does not grant a ranged attack if this creature does not have one.

Hurl Boulders is a ranged attack so I would say it does work.

I may be missing a subtle point in your reasoning, I can be blunt like that sometimes, but the straight forward interpretation indicates it would work Imo.

[Sausageman]

I'm with you Tacullu64, I believe that was exactly how it worked. Only difference between the ring and Hawkeye is the ring is explicit in the TYPE of attack/damage it effects.
If this isn't the case, then what DOES it effect? Surely not just the Longbow?

[pixelgeek]

Hawkeye gives a creature Ranged +1

Yes. This does not extend to all attacks that the Mage makes though. It only effects the Creature it is cast on.

[Sausageman]

Hawkeye gives a creature Ranged +1

Yes. This does not extend to all attacks that the Mage makes though. It only effects the Creature it is cast on.

Sorry Pixel, you're gonna have to explain this one I'm afraid . If my mage has Hawkeye on him, and he casts a ranged attack spell (from Hurl Boulder to Fireball), this doesn't get the ranged bonus?
If this is the case, can you explain why please.

[Tacullu64]

Hawkeye gives a creature Ranged +1

Yes. This does not extend to all attacks that the Mage makes though. It only effects the Creature it is cast on.

I still do not understand. The Mage is a 6th level creature why wouldn't it affect him like other creatures? Does Hawkeye affect the wizard's Arcane Zap? I think it would but the way you are explaining it the AZ would not get a bonus.

From the side bar on page 23 of rule book v2.0.

ATTACk SPEllS
When you cast an attack spell, it is both a spell and an attack. First, you must follow all steps for casting, just like any spell. Then, if the spell is not countered, you must resolve the attack, following the steps for attacking. The target of the attack is always the same as the target you chose when you cast the spell. Attack spells will not show a “quick” or “full” action icon on the attack bar, because the quick or full action required to make the attack occurs when the spell is cast. Also, the range of the attack is determined by the range of the spell, so no range is shown on the attack bar. They also do not have an “attack name” on the bar, because the name of the attack is the same as the spell.

That would indicate that an attack spell is a ranged attack.

V2.0 of the rule book states on page 23:

Ranged +X
This creature gains + X attack dice when it makes a ranged attack. If the attack makes multiple attacks against the same or different objects, it gains this bonus only for the first attack it can make with this bonus. Has no effect on zone attacks. Does not grant a ranged attack if this creature does not have one.

The only limitation the above puts on Ranged +X is on multiple attacks and zone attacks neither of which apply to Hurl Boulders.

I believe the extra verbiage on Lightening Ring is to define its limitation to only work with lightening spells and abilities.

Could you come up with a ruling to support your point and some further explanation to help me understand where I'm misinterpreting the Range +X trait.

Thanks in advance.

[piousflea]

Attack spells are attacks. Therefore, if you have Hawkeye, your fireballs and boulders and thunderbolts get +1 dice. Zone attacks do not get any benefit from + modifiers.

[DarthDadaD20]

I dont know how hawkeye wouldnt give a bonus to ranged attack spells? Its ranged +1....That how we have been playing it.

[Klaxas]

hawkeye gives ranged +1 ranged spells are ranged attacks as denoted by the ranged attack symbol on the card (the arrow) i dont even understand why this is a question.

[shapeshifter]

I hope I have been playing hawkeye correctly applying to attack spells. Because i feel the Warlord has a very good ranged game between slingers, sniper, ivarium Longbow and hurl boulder while keeping distance with walls, traps and quicksand/tanglevine.

[Shad0w]

Sorry I missed this all.

Rulebook 2 page 43
Ranged +X
This creature gains + X attack dice when it makes a ranged attack. If the attack makes multiple attacks against the same or different objects, it gains this bonus only for the first attack it can make with this bonus. Has no effect on zone attacks. Does not grant a ranged attack if this creature does not have one.

Ranged Attack
This attack can be used on targets within its minimum and maximum range, and within Line of Sight. A
ranged attack can always be made against a Flying creature in the same zone, even below its minimum range. Ranged attacks do not trigger damage barriers or counterstrikes. Ranged attacks ignore guards, and do not remove guard markers from guarding creatures.

Rulebook 2 page 22
The Attack Bar
Every creature or spell that can make an attack has one or more attack bars listed on its card. The attack bar shows all the information you need to resolve the attack:

Attack Name:
This is the name of the attack.
Action Required:
This icon shows which type of action you must spend to make the attack (quick action or full action).
• Attack Type:
This icon shows the type of attack, such as whether it is a melee or ranged attack. Ranged attacks will also show the range (minimum and maximum range).

So yes Hawkeye and the rings add to attack spells.

[Preacher]

So yes Hawkeye and the rings add to attack spells.

Yay! All is well with the world!  B)

That would have seriously sucked were it the other way....

[sIKE]

Arcanus covered this somewhere along the way.

[MrSaucy]

OP here.

My opinions have changed on Hurl Boulder. It has a lot going for it. 8 mana for 7 damage, range of 2, can target flyers, takes a quick action, decent chance to slam, and there isn't any armor that gives -2 to earth spells.

As for Hail of Stones, I don't include it at all. For my taste, too situational, takes a full action, only has a range of 1. Too meh for me. I have better ways to spend my points.

[Sausageman]

OP here.

My opinions have changed on Hurl Boulder. It has a lot going for it. 8 mana for 7 damage, range of 2, can target flyers, takes a quick action, decent chance to slam, and there isn't any armor that gives -2 to earth spells.

Glad you've changed your mind - Hurl Boulder is one of my favourite attack spells now, for all those reasons mentioned.  7 damage is a LOT too.

Wait til Meteorite - 9 damage! *cough*

[isel]

Sorry I missed this all.

Rulebook 2 page 43
Ranged +X
This creature gains + X attack dice when it makes a ranged attack. If the attack makes multiple attacks against the same or different objects, it gains this bonus only for the first attack it can make with this bonus. Has no effect on zone attacks. Does not grant a ranged attack if this creature does not have one.

Ranged Attack
This attack can be used on targets within its minimum and maximum range, and within Line of Sight. A
ranged attack can always be made against a Flying creature in the same zone, even below its minimum range. Ranged attacks do not trigger damage barriers or counterstrikes. Ranged attacks ignore guards, and do not remove guard markers from guarding creatures.

Rulebook 2 page 22
The Attack Bar
Every creature or spell that can make an attack has one or more attack bars listed on its card. The attack bar shows all the information you need to resolve the attack:

Attack Name:
This is the name of the attack.
Action Required:
This icon shows which type of action you must spend to make the attack (quick action or full action).
• Attack Type:
This icon shows the type of attack, such as whether it is a melee or ranged attack. Ranged attacks will also show the range (minimum and maximum range).

So yes Hawkeye and the rings add to attack spells.

woww, this its important!!!