Vampirism and Bleeding

[Coshade]

Hey Guys,
I think I already know the answer but I just wanted to ask you guys to make sure. A few people in our group are a little confused over Vampirism.

Can you use Vampirism to remove a bleed marker?
If you have poisoned blood or some other Finite life spell effecting you, will Vampirism still heal you.

I looked up the rules and it looks like it specifically says healing. I just wanted to get a more official ruling on it.

Thanks!

[silverclawgrizzly]

Vampiric can remove Bleed yes. Finite Life will stop Vampirism. Finite Life also makes it a real pain to remove Bleed.

[Coshade]

Awesome. I thought so. Thanks for the quick reply

[V10lentray]

So I was wrongly informed at the GenCon tournament.

That caused me to lose a match. Wonderful.

[Coshade]

That's why I wanted to check. Sorry Ray but at least we know the answer now. I hope the guy that played you didn't lie about the rule in order to win

[Wildhorn]

It is simple. Vampirism heals. Healing can remove bleed. Thats it.

[V10lentray]

no, that's not where the ruling came from.

basically, my opponent had vampiric creatures out. I asked shadow if deathlock prevented vampirism. He said no, because while it heals it's not counted as healing so it gets around finite life. Which is why I then chose to not play the deathlock and played something else instead.

Then the Warlock played 2 Heal spells in one turn recovering a bunch of damage. He would have been dead the next turn had he not healed and I played the deathlock.

[Zuberi]

I'm really sorry to hear that happened to you V10lentray. I'm not sure how such a mistake could have been made. As Wildhorn stated, it is pretty simple. Vampiric heals, and Finite Life prevents healing. Any effect that heals is considered healing except for Reconstruct which specifically states it's not considered as such and gets around the normal rules of Finite Life.

I believe this is the only reason Necropian Vampiress wasn't made to be an undead creature. Everybody I show her to thinks she should be undead, but if she was then her Vampiric ability would not function.

[ACG]

I'm really sorry to hear that happened to you V10lentray. I'm not sure how such a mistake could have been made. As Wildhorn stated, it is pretty simple. Vampiric heals, and Finite Life prevents healing. Any effect that heals is considered healing except for Reconstruct which specifically states it's not considered as such and gets around the normal rules of Finite Life.

I believe this is the only reason Necropian Vampiress wasn't made to be an undead creature. Everybody I show her to thinks she should be undead, but if she was then her Vampiric ability would not function.

Well... she could be made undead, just not nonliving (the undead subtype does not prevent healing).

That ruling mistake is quite unfortunate, though. In a tournament setting, too!

[Sailor Vulcan]

It is also possible that he somehow managed to confuse life bond with vampiric

[Zuberi]

That is true, ACG, although a living undead would be a little weird and disjointed from the norm within the game, I don't think there is anything preventing it.

[ringkichard]

Ray, are you sure the person you asked was Shad0w? That would be a surprising mistake for him to make, especially since the codex entry for Vampirism uses the word heal.

[V10lentray]

yeah.

[Laddinfance]

On Vampires: When I asked Bryan about "living vampires" (I do love Morbius), he told me that there were some that were still "alive" and there might be some that are "undead". Right now the Vampiress is certainly alive, and that is all part of the "evil" plan, muahahahahaha.

On Vampirism: I'm very sorry Ray. I agree, I'm not sure how this kind of ruling happened. This seems to be a pretty cut and dry interpretation of rules.

[V10lentray]

if I would have won that match I only would have been 2-2, still not in the finals. so it kind of stinks because I changed my normal play strategy because of it.