Akiros Favor VS Temple of the Dawnbreaker

[exid]

the question was:
when a card allows to "re-roll" something,
- must the re-roll take place during the normal roll-step (in this case, if the card is an enchantment like Akiro's Favour, it must be revealed before the normal roll-step)
OR
- can the re-roll take place later... and until when? (in this case an enchantment could be revealed after the rolling is known)

[sIKE]

the question was:
when a card allows to "re-roll" something,
- must the re-roll take place during the normal roll-step (in this case, if the card is an enchantment like Akiro's Favour, it must be revealed before the normal roll-step)
OR
- can the re-roll take place later... and until when? (in this case an enchantment could be revealed after the rolling is known - like Rhino Hide.

There fixed!

[exid]

the question was:
when a card allows to "re-roll" something,
- must the re-roll take place during the normal roll-step (in this case, if the card is an enchantment like Akiro's Favour, it must be revealed before the normal roll-step)
OR
- can the re-roll take place later... and until when? (in this case, if the card is an enchantment like Akiro's Favour, it could be revealed after the rolling is known).

There fixed!

:D that's not what i meant... re-fixed!

[sIKE]

I was just wanting to point out that there is a place after the dice have been rolled and an enchantment is commonly revealed. It would be down in-between the two steps. As this sentence:

- can the re-roll take place later... and until when?

made it appear that something like this hasn't already been happening in the game.

[exid]

I was just wanting to point out that there is a place after the dice have been rolled and an enchantment is commonly revealed. It would be down in-between the two steps. As this sentence:

- can the re-roll take place later... and until when?

made it appear that something like this hasn't already been happening in the game.

oh! no! that was not my point!
i just wanted to say that if a re-roll enchantment can be revealed after the rolling, the "untill when" question must be answered in the rull.

[sIKE]

What I am saying in the case of the second option the only space this can happen is in-between the Roll Dice Step and the Apply Damage and Effects Step. There is no mystery there, the real question (in my mind) is when an effect says you can re-roll a dice, does the re-roll happen in the Roll Dice Step or after the step.

[Moonglow]

If it helps I think we'd worked out the question and we're just waiting to hear back from Brian and Laddin.

[exid]

If it helps I think we'd worked out the question and we're just waiting to hear back from Brian and Laddin.

yep!
but how to formulate the question is still to discuss  ;D ;D ;D

[Moonglow]

You promised!! ;)

With everything else going on with AW, Bryan and I haven't been able to talk about it yet. I have not forgotten this.

You promise?

Yes.

[exid]

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Moonglow]

What ever happened to answer this?  Was it addressed somewhere else and I missed it?

I mean come on, there's even a promise on this! :)

[Laddinfance]

Spells that allow for the re-rolling of dice, allow the dice to be re-rolled any time prior to the Damage and Effects step, of an attack.

[exid]

Spells that allow for the re-rolling of dice, allow the dice to be re-rolled any time prior to the Damage and Effects step, of an attack.

very clear!
please put it in the new rules supplement  ;D

[Moonglow]

ummm, its clear, but is it answering all of the question?  I think one of the aspects of the question was around when AF can be revealed.  I think Laddin's reply says that:

If the AF effect can be applied any time before the damage or Effect step then you can reveal AF after the dice roll step (before the damage step) and then re-roll the dice.

If I've understood the implications correctly then I guess it is fully answered :)

The more I re-read the thread the less sure I am - a lot of the question was about whether AF could have an effect on dice already rolled if it was revealed after the roll.... Laddin's answer doesnt explicitly clarify this question.

Quoting an older post:
4th edition, p18: Enchantments cannot affect an event that occured before it was  revealed.
and since it can't be revealed during the step...

[Puddnhead]

The way I understand it, Akiro's Favor and its ilk are giving you an additional (albeit partial) "roll dice" step that must be taken before the "damage and effects"  step. so as long as you have revealed before "damage and effects" you are entitled to your reroll.