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Guarding \ Piercing Damage Question
« on: October 09, 2014, 02:14:34 PM »
Hello All,

I'm still wet behind the ears on the machines of MW. Last night my I had my first play through on Apprentice Mode; my playing the Priestess and the opponent the Warlock.  To give you some background as to the title, I got into a bit of a shout match when it came to adding the piercing damage and when I used the guard of a create.  I used one action turn of Knight of Westlock to gaurd; with my Priestess and Grey Angel in the same zone. Then the opponent attacked with Adramelech, Lord of Fire. I told them that they had to attack the Guard do to the token being on it and then I took damage and then did a counter attack? Was that right??? And for the piercing damage if it's unavoidable you  minus the shield per the number of the pierce right? (I thought the instructions were a little unclear about the guard ruling imo..) Any help is welcome

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Re: Guarding \ Piercing Damage Question
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2014, 04:35:18 PM »
Guarding limits the number of legal targets within a zone for melee attacks. Thus, if you wish to make a melee attack in a zone that has any guards in it, you can only target one of the guards.

After you select your target, you go through the normal combat steps:
1) Declare Attack (must be against one of the guards)
2) Avoid Attack (Your knight could roll his Defense here)
3) Roll Dice
4) Apply Damage and Effects (Your Knight takes damage)
5) Additional Strikes (If the attacker has Doublestrike or Triplestrike)
6) Damage Barrier (if applicable)
7) Counterstrike (all guards gain the counterstrike trait for their quick action melee attacks. Your knight would make his counterstrike now)
8 ) Attack Ends (Adramalech could possibly use his sweeping trait now to hit another creature, if that's the attack he chose during step 1)

For your second question, Piercing +X is listed in the codex and it reduces the targets Armor value. It does not reduce their Defense if that's what you're asking. It has absolutely no interaction with the unavoidable trait.

Against your Knight, if Adramalech had Piercing +X, that would come into play during Step 4: Apply Damage and Effects. Let's assume he rolled 5 damage and had Piercing +1. Your Knight has 3 armor. Therefore your knight takes 3 Damage. This is because the piercing reduces your armor to 2, and then your 2 armor is subtracted from the damage dealt.

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Re: Guarding \ Piercing Damage Question
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2014, 04:46:14 PM »
Hello All,

I'm still wet behind the ears on the machines of MW. Last night my I had my first play through on Apprentice Mode; my playing the Priestess and the opponent the Warlock.  To give you some background as to the title, I got into a bit of a shout match when it came to adding the piercing damage and when I used the guard of a create.  I used one action turn of Knight of Westlock to gaurd; with my Priestess and Grey Angel in the same zone. Then the opponent attacked with Adramelech, Lord of Fire. I told them that they had to attack the Guard do to the token being on it and then I took damage and then did a counter attack? Was that right??? And for the piercing damage if it's unavoidable you  minus the shield per the number of the pierce right? (I thought the instructions were a little unclear about the guard ruling imo..) Any help is welcome

The attack does not have to be against the guard. Note that there are some cases when you can ignore them. In this case, both the Angel and Adramelech have the Flying trait. Adramelech could choose to attack either the guard (on the ground), or the Angel (since guards are ignored when melee attacking another flying creature)... but not the Priestess.
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Re: Guarding \ Piercing Damage Question
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2014, 04:47:35 PM »
I apologize, I forgot to mention the caveat of flying. DaveW is correct. Flying creatures may ignore guards when they attack other flying creatures.

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Re: Guarding \ Piercing Damage Question
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 01:39:09 PM »
So we were playing correctly for the most part. I didn't release that they were both flying, but that comes from lake of experience. The way you explained it made sense and now off to another match.