Reverse magic vs Shift Enchantement and Level of spells

[Boocheck]

Hello there fellow mages. Here are my two problems.

1) Warlock casts shift enchantement on Ghoul Rot(revealed-ownded by Warlock) which is on Wizards Gargolye and is trying to move it on Wizard. Wizard have reverse magic on him.

There are few solutions.
a) wizard just redirect ghoul rot on warlock, pay additional 2 mana.
b) reverse magic will not be triggered, because i am moving already casted enchantement
c) reverse magic will be trigered but the source of the spell is shift enchantement. So the spell will be canceled
EDIT: d) Wizard will take control of "Shift Enchantement" spell

2) We have an armor wand enchantement which is 1 Holy and & 1 War. So the level of spell is 2, right?

I have already some opinion on this but i want to be sure. We are discusing it on our local forum and there are a lot of reasonable counters against my opinion

[webcatcher]

Option 1 is correct because shift  enchantment targets a new legal target. If you'd said  enchantment transfusion the answer would be different.

Armor ward is a level 2 spell.

[jacksmack]

This is a good question:

Shift enchantment says: "Move target enchantment you control"
The wizard does not control the ghoul rot, and therefore when taking control of shift enchantment he must choose another enchantment.

If the wizard chooses a new enchantment which costs 3 or more to move he must pay the difference in mana addionally to the reveal cost.
(he cannot gain mana refunded when choose a target which costs less (1)).

If there is no legal targets for another enchantment the spell is countered. (The case if the wizard does not have an enchantment he controls within LOS and Range.)


second question:
Armor Ward is level 2, bridge troll is lvl 3 and Adremelach is lvl 6 etc.

[webcatcher]

You know what, Jack, I think you're right. The Wizard would get control of shift enchant,  not the ghoul rot.

[Wildhorn]

You know what, Jack, I think you're right. The Wizard would get control of shift enchant,  not the ghoul rot.

Javk is right.

Reverse Magic reverse a spell, not the effect (aka the text box) of a spell (it is somewhere in the FAQ if I recall correctly).

[webcatcher]

So what would happen if we'd used enchant transfusion instead of shift, since transfusion doesn't target a creature?

[jacksmack]

So what would happen if we'd used enchant transfusion instead of shift, since transfusion doesn't target a creature?

Enchantment transfusion can be reversed when its cast - not when its revealed.

The owner of reverse magic takes control of enchantment tranfusion and decides on his own when he wish to reveal it to move HIS enchantments from the target transfusion  is attached to.

If enchantments are moved to a target with reverse magic via Enchantment transfusions reveal effect then reveal magic stays hidden and cannot counter this. Nullify like wise.

[Zuberi]

Remember with reverse magic that you have to redirect the spell back onto the original caster also. So with shift enchantment you would get to select an enchantment you control to now put on your opponent's mage. You would not be able to select the original ghoul rot because you do not control it and it is therefore an illegal target.

With enchantment transfusion (which does target a creature) you would have to attach it to their mage, and may later use it to move your enchantments off of your opponent.

All of course assuming it was their mage that originally cast the spell. There are familiars who can cast said spells as well, in which case the spell would be reversed back onto the familiar.

[Boocheck]

Sooo, the right answer is d) ?

[Zuberi]

Yes, answer d. The wizard would take control of shift enchantment which would immediately target the Warlock. The wizard would then get to choose which one of the wizard's enchantments he would like to shift to the Warlock. He would not be able to choose ghoul rot or any other enchant controlled by the Warlock.

[Boocheck]

Thanks. We were not sure. There were a lot of valid arguments and also the one when the most logical answer still could not be the right one in a sake of game mechanics or game balance

If it is from official source, its cool. Complex simplicity is what i like about MW most