Kraken and guarding

[adanaz]

Hey guys,

I guard with the Kraken.  The Kraken is melee attacked.  Where is my quick action melee attack to use as a Counterstrike?  Is it my mistake to guard with a creature that lacks a quick action melee attack and expect a Counterstrike?   

I didn't find it written anywhere that a creature who lacks a quick action melee attack does not get to Counterstrike when guarding.  Although I did find that 'Ranged attacks skip this step' and 'You may not make a full action melee attack or a ranged attack with Counterstrike.'

I think it was an oversight on my part (hangs head and sobs softly).

Thanks!

[drmambo23]

Full action only attacks cannot be used to counterstrike. Only quick action attacks.

The only benefit you get is to have a big guard that can take a hit instead of the attack hitting your mage.

[iNano78]

Not a mistake, but Kraken is definitely a creature you might prefer to attack with than to guard with.

I find [mwcard=DNC18]Togorah, Forest Sentinel[/mwcard] difficult to play partly for the same reason. He has Vigilance/Intercept, which makes you assume he must be a terrific guard... but doesn't get to counterstrike. At least the Vigilance allows him to attack and get a guard marker in the same round, but it still feels hollow when your guard doesn't get to counterstrike.

[adanaz]

I guess a 6 dice attack is a bit much for a counterstrike.  In a large number of cases, it would be a stronger attack than that of the aggressor!

Thanks for the replies!

[DaveW]

Earth Elemental also comes to mind....

[drmambo23]

The jelly! Corrosive attack that reconstructs and devours can can't make a counterstike
I understand why, but he is on that list too

[Puddnhead]

The jelly! Corrosive attack that reconstructs and devours can't make a counterstike
I understand why, but he is on that list too

fixed

[drmambo23]

The jelly! Corrosive attack that reconstructs and devours can't make a counterstike
I understand why, but he is on that list too

fixed

Thanks!

[wtcannonjr]

Full action only attacks cannot be used to counterstrike. Only quick action attacks.

The only benefit you get is to have a big guard that can take a hit instead of the attack hitting your mage.

I don't have the rules in front of me, but I believe placing a guard only provides the Counterstrike trait to a Quick Melee Attack of that Creature. So the Kraken would still Protect the Zone, but would not receive a Counterstrike when placed on Guard.

[drmambo23]

Full action only attacks cannot be used to counterstrike. Only quick action attacks.

The only benefit you get is to have a big guard that can take a hit instead of the attack hitting your mage.

I don't have the rules in front of me, but I believe placing a guard only provides the Counterstrike trait to a Quick Melee Attack of that Creature. So the Kraken would still Protect the Zone, but would not receive a Counterstrike when placed on Guard.

Yeah, he can guard but not hit back so he can be used as a guard to soak up hits