Paladin spell cost calculation

Started by grga.curkovic, November 13, 2016, 10:21:10 AM

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grga.curkovic

Hi,

working on adding PvS to my spellbook builder and just wanted to clarify something.

When Paladin uses level 4 non-creature Holy spell, how much does it cost?

8 points (2 per level)
or
5 points (1 per levels 1-3, 2 for level 4)

Thanks

Halewijn

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Kelanen

Quote from: Halewijn on November 13, 2016, 10:27:40 AM
8. Not trained in level 4 holy.

Yes 8. You are never part-trained in something - it either falls inside your training or it doesn't.

To give another example - a Druid is Trained in Level 1 Water spells.  A Level 2 Water spells costs them the full 4pts the same as everyone else.

Super Sorcerer

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Quote from: Kelanen on November 13, 2016, 10:46:41 AM
You are never part-trained in something - it either falls inside your training or it doesn't.
Well, a beastmaster is partially trained in bridge troll. A warlord is partially trained in bridge troll as well.
In the case of a mage who is trained in "Holy 3", he will indeed not be trained at all in Resurrection. But as a rule, "never part-trained in something" is just wrong.

Kelanen

Quote from: Super Sorcerer on November 13, 2016, 11:11:32 AM
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Quote from: Kelanen on November 13, 2016, 10:46:41 AM
You are never part-trained in something - it either falls inside your training or it doesn't.
Well, a beastmaster is partially trained in bridge troll. A warlord is partially trained in bridge troll as well.
In the case of a mage who is trained in "Holy 3", he will indeed not be trained at all in Resurrection. But as a rule, "never part-trained in something" is just wrong.

That's a different case, but fair enough I should have stated it more clearly.

Your training either fully applies, or doesn't apply at all to each school of magic in a spells makeup. You can't count some levels as trained, and the rest untrained.

wtcannonjr

Quote from: Kelanen on November 13, 2016, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: Super Sorcerer on November 13, 2016, 11:11:32 AM
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Quote from: Kelanen on November 13, 2016, 10:46:41 AM
You are never part-trained in something - it either falls inside your training or it doesn't.
Well, a beastmaster is partially trained in bridge troll. A warlord is partially trained in bridge troll as well.
In the case of a mage who is trained in "Holy 3", he will indeed not be trained at all in Resurrection. But as a rule, "never part-trained in something" is just wrong.

That's a different case, but fair enough I should have stated it more clearly.

Your training either fully applies, or doesn't apply at all to each school of magic in a spells makeup. You can't count some levels as trained, and the rest untrained.

I remember the training rule as school based and not level based. So you check each school of the spell and determine whether you are trained or not. The determination of trained or not trained may be based on levels within a school, but the resulting spellpoint cost is calculated using that determination for all levels of that school icon on the spell. So for mixed school spells you can be partially trained when calculating total spell point cost , but not for single school spells as clarified above.
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