List of viable spellbook archetypes

[Kaarin]

I made an excel table about this but not sure how to add it here without hard forum code formatting

You could export it as csv and then replace commas, linestart and lineend with the approriate forum code tags. Using a decent text editor, this should not be too hard.
I would really like to see this table. 

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[Mystery]

Mage	Book Name	Creatures	Tank	DOT	Swarm	Rush	Offensive	Defensive	competetive?	Comment
Warlock	Curse the hell out	1-3		x				x
	LOF	0-1							?
	Pentagram /gate to hell/Bloodfire helmet	6+		support	x			x	not yet
	Buddy melee Warlock	0-1		support			x
AD Warlock	Blasting Banker	0-1	x	support or x			x	x
	Fireball rush	0-1		support		x	x
	LOF	0-1							?
	Pentagram /gate to hell/Bloodfire helmet	6+		support	x			x	not yet
Beastmaster	Aviary	6+			xx	x	x		…
	Wolf Swarm	6+			xx	x	x
	DOT/melee	1-3		x				x
	Rush Petfalcon/grizzly	2+				x	x
	Cat swarm	6+			xx		x		?
	Animal Kinship	4+			x		x	x	?
	Kralathor feeding	1-3					x	x	?	(food not counted as creature)
	Cub+mother bear	4+			x		x		not yet seen
Beastmastress	Poison of the jungle	1-3		x				x		(dot+bow)
	Rushmaster	0-1				x	x		?
	Cervere+BOW	1-3				x	x
	all BM books some a bit weaker
Necro	Tank graveyard	4+	xx	~				xx
	Double Spawn	4+						x
	Zombie Swarm	4+			x
	Gorgon+Zombie	4+		support
	Direct dmg/poison	1-3		x				x
	Skeleton swarm	4+			x		x	x
	Altar of Skulls	4+	probably					xx	?
Priestess	Double Spawn	4+						x
	Guardian Angel Quartett							x
	Cleric/Valshalla swarm				x			x
	DI creature	0-1				x	x		?	(vampiress, grizzly,…)
	BF few big/heal	1-3	x more possible					x
	Tanky priestess	1-3	xx					x		(not yet seen)
Priest	all priestess books								no
	Buddy HA/melee	1-3					x		?
Forcemaster	Galvitar rush	0-1				x	x		agony
	big creatures	2-3		support			x			(double grizz, pit trap,…)
	buddy FM	0-1		support			x
	Fatigue FM	0-1	def>armor	x				x
	LOF rush	0-1				x	x		?
	Unstoppable Forcemaster			what is this?
	Wall push/spores FM	1-3						x	?
Wizard	Ultra Tank	1-3	xx				x	x	++
	Mana denial	0-3	probably	possible				x
	Blasting Banker	0-1	x
	Weithing Training Clothes	1-3					x
	(tower rush)	0-1				x	x
	Watergate	1-3						x		(deathzone trap)
	Gate of Voltari	4+			kind of		x	x
	Elemental Wizard	1-3		x			x	x		(whirling spirit, earth wizard, fire elemental)
	Staff of storms support	1-3					x	x
	wall push+tower	0-1				x	x
	can defenitly also do curses/DOT
	can also do two big (grizzly for example)
Warlord	Altar of Domination	4+			kind of			x		(powlich, frozen ADMW book)
	Veteran Trolls	1-3	x				x	x
	Double Spawn	4+						x	slow
	Barracks field Battle	4+			possible		x	x
AT Warlord	Altar of Domination	4+			kind of			x		(powlich,frozen ADMW book)
	Runesmith	1-3	xx					x
	Double Spawn	4+	possible					x	slow
	Hurl Metorite round 2					x	x		?
Druid	Thornlasher Wall	4+					x
	Kill Zone	4+						x
	vines everywhere	1-3	survive	x				x		(DOT+vines)
	Grizzly+support tree	1-3					x
	wallpush/fellela	1-3					x			(thunderdome G miroque book)
	Tank druid	?	xx					x		(not played or seen in yet, but defenitly possible)
	Double grizzly or 1+kralathor	1-3					x

[Mystery]

google convert excel to forum post much easier

http://theenemy.dk/table/

The table is inluding most of the common books, there are deviations of all and may some mix.
Wolf swarm of a BM can for example be played without or with lair. But else it will be too many books to mention here.

On the competetive section I try to rate those books i question if they are really competetive with a ? question mark. Not yet may be based on new cards coming with expansions that do help. if a card is named, it is the card that really cripples the deck. or a weakness.
I dont give much rating else, one could give it strength ratings of 1-10 but this also depends on the meta. For example DOT/curse depends largely on the amount of dispel people tend to run. I only marked the in my POV strongest book with ++. For a total strength rating I'd also have to play more of those books and against more of the others.

It is based on all included promos, except ballista as war mage only and unique.

[RomeoXero]

Mystery... you're a beast man! This is by far the most detailed I've ever seen this stuff broken down. No wonder you're a champ dude, rock on!

[Sailor Vulcan]

There are some redundant columns in there. Rush is aggressive and tank is defensive. If you're including separate columns for rush and tank then you don't need to have separate columns offense and defense. Total number of creatures in the book is not all that important for identifying its playstyle. What really matters is the number of creatures that the book is actually going to to play in a single game. Also, I don't think you included all the playstyle categories. Far from it. It's started to seem very much like playstyles in Mage Wars Arena exist on a continuum based on how much they use different resources or deny them to the opponent, not as discrete categories. I have my own charts that I'll show here as soon as I get home.


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[Sailor Vulcan]

http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16813.0

http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16841.0

[Mystery]

There are some redundant columns in there. Rush is aggressive and tank is defensive. If you're including separate columns for rush and tank then you don't need to have separate columns offense and defense. Total number of creatures in the book is not all that important for identifying its playstyle. What really matters is the number of creatures that the book is actually going to to play in a single game. Also, I don't think you included all the playstyle categories. Far from it. It's started to seem very much like playstyles in Mage Wars Arena exist on a continuum based on how much they use different resources or deny them to the opponent, not as discrete categories. I have my own charts that I'll show here as soon as I get home.


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rush is of course offensive, but offensive playstyle is not rush, tank is defensive, but defensive is not necessary tank. A tank I define as minimum 3 chest pieces and 2 vet belts and tons of other armor and regenerate.

Lastly offensive and defensive are also ways you can play a deck, not all are onedimensional. the tank wizard you could also go offensive wit wizardstower and elemental wand if you want for example against a necro...

i'm not displaying total amount of creatures but general how many you play. My BF tanky priestess has 2 angels, 2 knight, 1 brogan and a ressurection, but i hardly ever play more than 2/3 so its 1-3. And the creatures are classes 0-1, 1-3, 4+,6+. My veteran trolls is running 6 creatures but generally i get 3 out, so its 1-3

[Kaarin]

There are some redundant columns in there. Rush is aggressive and tank is defensive. If you're including separate columns for rush and tank then you don't need to have separate columns offense and defense. Total number of creatures in the book is not all that important for identifying its playstyle. What really matters is the number of creatures that the book is actually going to to play in a single game. Also, I don't think you included all the playstyle categories. Far from it. It's started to seem very much like playstyles in Mage Wars Arena exist on a continuum based on how much they use different resources or deny them to the opponent, not as discrete categories. I have my own charts that I'll show here as soon as I get home.


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rush is of course offensive, but offensive playstyle is not rush, tank is defensive, but defensive is not necessary tank. A tank I define as minimum 3 chest pieces and 2 vet belts and tons of other armor and regenerate.

Lastly offensive and defensive are also ways you can play a deck, not all are onedimensional. the tank wizard you could also go offensive wit wizardstower and elemental wand if you want for example against a necro...

i'm not displaying total amount of creatures but general how many you play. My BF tanky priestess has 2 angels, 2 knight, 1 brogan and a ressurection, but i hardly ever play more than 2/3 so its 1-3. And the creatures are classes 0-1, 1-3, 4+,6+. My veteran trolls is running 6 creatures but generally i get 3 out, so its 1-3

I would describe my double forge Warlock as offensive tank. It may run only 2 chest pieces and 2 vet belts, but uses 2 or 3 sources of defense and Helm of Fear (plus Sunfire amulet, regrowth and vampirism if things get rough). Still he's designed to attack enemy mage early.

[Mystery]

There are some redundant columns in there. Rush is aggressive and tank is defensive. If you're including separate columns for rush and tank then you don't need to have separate columns offense and defense. Total number of creatures in the book is not all that important for identifying its playstyle. What really matters is the number of creatures that the book is actually going to to play in a single game. Also, I don't think you included all the playstyle categories. Far from it. It's started to seem very much like playstyles in Mage Wars Arena exist on a continuum based on how much they use different resources or deny them to the opponent, not as discrete categories. I have my own charts that I'll show here as soon as I get home.


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rush is of course offensive, but offensive playstyle is not rush, tank is defensive, but defensive is not necessary tank. A tank I define as minimum 3 chest pieces and 2 vet belts and tons of other armor and regenerate.

Lastly offensive and defensive are also ways you can play a deck, not all are onedimensional. the tank wizard you could also go offensive wit wizardstower and elemental wand if you want for example against a necro...

i'm not displaying total amount of creatures but general how many you play. My BF tanky priestess has 2 angels, 2 knight, 1 brogan and a ressurection, but i hardly ever play more than 2/3 so its 1-3. And the creatures are classes 0-1, 1-3, 4+,6+. My veteran trolls is running 6 creatures but generally i get 3 out, so its 1-3

I would describe my double forge Warlock as offensive tank. It may run only 2 chest pieces and 2 vet belts, but uses 2 or 3 sources of defense and Helm of Fear (plus Sunfire amulet, regrowth and vampirism if things get rough). Still he's designed to attack enemy mage early.

exactly that is what i ment you can play a tank offensive or in different ways. Tank, DOT, swarm... and offensive/defensive are different ways to classify no redundancy here

[DaveW]

I am pretty sure that the Beastmaster / Animal Kinship type book will do pretty well with Academy creatures now. We were talking about such a build tonight that one of the folks put together. We're wondering whether Animal Kinship may end up with a Unique tag because of what you can do with it and small creatures... especially when you can quick cast a level 1 for whichever bonus you want. Someone guards? Bring out a little cat with a quickcast and you have Elusive for your attack. Someone rusted your armor? Bring out an Asp... etc.

[Sailor Vulcan]

There are some redundant columns in there. Rush is aggressive and tank is defensive. If you're including separate columns for rush and tank then you don't need to have separate columns offense and defense. Total number of creatures in the book is not all that important for identifying its playstyle. What really matters is the number of creatures that the book is actually going to to play in a single game. Also, I don't think you included all the playstyle categories. Far from it. It's started to seem very much like playstyles in Mage Wars Arena exist on a continuum based on how much they use different resources or deny them to the opponent, not as discrete categories. I have my own charts that I'll show here as soon as I get home.


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rush is of course offensive, but offensive playstyle is not rush, tank is defensive, but defensive is not necessary tank. A tank I define as minimum 3 chest pieces and 2 vet belts and tons of other armor and regenerate.

Lastly offensive and defensive are also ways you can play a deck, not all are onedimensional. the tank wizard you could also go offensive wit wizardstower and elemental wand if you want for example against a necro...

i'm not displaying total amount of creatures but general how many you play. My BF tanky priestess has 2 angels, 2 knight, 1 brogan and a ressurection, but i hardly ever play more than 2/3 so its 1-3. And the creatures are classes 0-1, 1-3, 4+,6+. My veteran trolls is running 6 creatures but generally i get 3 out, so its 1-3

I would describe my double forge Warlock as offensive tank. It may run only 2 chest pieces and 2 vet belts, but uses 2 or 3 sources of defense and Helm of Fear (plus Sunfire amulet, regrowth and vampirism if things get rough). Still he's designed to attack enemy mage early.

exactly that is what i ment you can play a tank offensive or in different ways. Tank, DOT, swarm... and offensive/defensive are different ways to classify no redundancy here

Again, tank means defensive and rush means offensive. They exist on a continuum though, so there is a considerable amount of possible strategies in-between pure rush and pure tank. Based on what you just said, I would consider getting rid of the columns for "offensive" and "defensive" since they don't tell someone anything new about a strategy or group of strategies that isn't already apparent from other columns like tank and swarm and rush.

[bigfatchef]

There are some redundant columns in there. Rush is aggressive and tank is defensive. If you're including separate columns for rush and tank then you don't need to have separate columns offense and defense. Total number of creatures in the book is not all that important for identifying its playstyle. What really matters is the number of creatures that the book is actually going to to play in a single game. Also, I don't think you included all the playstyle categories. Far from it. It's started to seem very much like playstyles in Mage Wars Arena exist on a continuum based on how much they use different resources or deny them to the opponent, not as discrete categories. I have my own charts that I'll show here as soon as I get home.


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rush is of course offensive, but offensive playstyle is not rush, tank is defensive, but defensive is not necessary tank. A tank I define as minimum 3 chest pieces and 2 vet belts and tons of other armor and regenerate.

Lastly offensive and defensive are also ways you can play a deck, not all are onedimensional. the tank wizard you could also go offensive wit wizardstower and elemental wand if you want for example against a necro...

i'm not displaying total amount of creatures but general how many you play. My BF tanky priestess has 2 angels, 2 knight, 1 brogan and a ressurection, but i hardly ever play more than 2/3 so its 1-3. And the creatures are classes 0-1, 1-3, 4+,6+. My veteran trolls is running 6 creatures but generally i get 3 out, so its 1-3

I would describe my double forge Warlock as offensive tank. It may run only 2 chest pieces and 2 vet belts, but uses 2 or 3 sources of defense and Helm of Fear (plus Sunfire amulet, regrowth and vampirism if things get rough). Still he's designed to attack enemy mage early.

exactly that is what i ment you can play a tank offensive or in different ways. Tank, DOT, swarm... and offensive/defensive are different ways to classify no redundancy here

Again, tank means defensive and rush means offensive. They exist on a continuum though, so there is a considerable amount of possible strategies in-between pure rush and pure tank. Based on what you just said, I would consider getting rid of the columns for "offensive" and "defensive" since they don't tell someone anything new about a strategy or group of strategies that isn't already apparent from other columns like tank and swarm and rush.

I think you have different ideas of what tank means. Is it just armor and defenses as hell (offensively playable) or  defensive playstyle with armor?
It is Mystery's list with his thoughts and opinions. Instead of arguing how this list should be changed everybody is free to write a list on his own. With more or less columns.

What i don't understand is, whats the meaning at johktari “all BM books, some a bit weaker“? I feel both BM feel and play quite different, so books are different as well.

Animal Kinship is a great card, but is expensive to use if you want to stack. And relying on a living asp can get you in done real trouble, cause that asp might die quick in a bad situation and you don't carry one all the time. It's a invulnerable tactic and I think no unique is necessary. Even with academy.