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Mage Wars => Mages => Topic started by: RomeoXero on April 12, 2017, 12:19:54 PM
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So we've gotten a bunch of new names around the forums lately, along with a couple new mages, and some awesome new cards. So my question folks, is what mage do you consider your favorite mage? And why? What mage do you consider your BEST mage (they aren't always the same, mine aren't)? How come? What mage do you least enjoy playing or paying against?
My favorite mage is the Malakai Priest. Thematically i really enjoy his story, when the church gets threatened, they send in the priests! How cool is that? Yeah he (according to the meta) might be under powered, but the tools he has in his kit are just plain fun. Burning shit with his holy pimp slap has got to be the funniest thing ever (at least to me) and having a built in ethereal attack is awesome, just ask the wizard. His outfit is pretty baller too in a purely esthetic note.
My best mage is the Druid. I've always believed that she just does nature better. Even with 2 trip schools she still kicks ass and if you're a tierer she ranks top in almost everyone's estimation. Superior board control and vine range casting, coupled with built in "Treegen" make her really tough to kill, and if you've got a solid plan of action its really tough to throw her off. A good druid makes you pay for your choices in a match, no matter what they are. Go for the tree and you're gonna pay for it in burst damage, go for the druid and ignore the tree, your going to pay for it by losing the attrition game as she heals generally 4 life per round. She's an absolute baller in every way.
My least favorite mage to play is the force master. She just doesn't suit my style. She was queen of the rush for awhile, but without solid creature support, which she generally can't afford, she's sort of forced into a buddy category, a solo mage, or a long game DoT strat. I've seen her taken apart too many times to have much faith in her.
Least favorite to play against used to be wizard. Since the errata I've seen maybe... 2? Nobody plays him anymore so the ratio has skewed. So it's prolly necromancer now. Zombies and resilient are kinda OP right now as there's no way to overcome it reliably. Its only gotten worse since chant of rage showed up.
Well that's me, what about you folks?
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For Arena:
- My best (win/loss record) is probably my Forcemaster.
- My favourites lately are Arraxian Crown Warlock (using Sectarus) and Zombie Necromancer.
For Domination:
- My best is probably Druid.
- My favourite is probably Skeleton Necromancer (also very strong) and Druid.
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My favorite mage is my best mage. Straywood Beast Master, I believe him to be the superior nature mage. His versatility and ability to adapt to any situation honestly makes him the resilient work horse of Mage Wars. I love animals in real life and enjoy rangers in DnD so he's an easy pick for me. I've fought a lot of battles with my Beast Master and even the ones I've lost have left my opponents knowing they were in a fight. While I've no desire (Or willingness) to play the paper/rock/scissors game of "What do you do if...." I will say for the observant player there is very little a solid Straywood book can't handle.
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So we've gotten a bunch of new names around the forums lately, along with a couple new mages, and some awesome new cards. So my question folks, is what mage do you consider your favorite mage? And why? What mage do you consider your BEST mage (they aren't always the same, mine aren't)? How come? What mage do you least enjoy playing or paying against?
My favorite mage is the Malakai Priest. Thematically i really enjoy his story, when the church gets threatened, they send in the priests! How cool is that? Yeah he (according to the meta) might be under powered, but the tools he has in his kit are just plain fun. Burning #### with his holy pimp slap has got to be the funniest thing ever (at least to me) and having a built in ethereal attack is awesome, just ask the wizard. His outfit is pretty baller too in a purely esthetic note.
My best mage is the Druid. I've always believed that she just does nature better. Even with 2 trip schools she still kicks ### and if you're a tierer she ranks top in almost everyone's estimation. Superior board control and vine range casting, coupled with built in "Treegen" make her really tough to kill, and if you've got a solid plan of action its really tough to throw her off. A good druid makes you pay for your choices in a match, no matter what they are. Go for the tree and you're gonna pay for it in burst damage, go for the druid and ignore the tree, your going to pay for it by losing the attrition game as she heals generally 4 life per round. She's an absolute baller in every way.
My least favorite mage to play is the force master. She just doesn't suit my style. She was queen of the rush for awhile, but without solid creature support, which she generally can't afford, she's sort of forced into a buddy category, a solo mage, or a long game DoT strat. I've seen her taken apart too many times to have much faith in her.
Least favorite to play against used to be wizard. Since the errata I've seen maybe... 2? Nobody plays him anymore so the ratio has skewed. So it's prolly necromancer now. Zombies and resilient are kinda OP right now as there's no way to overcome it reliably. Its only gotten worse since chant of rage showed up.
Well that's me, what about you folks?
Favorite mage: Paladin. He is super flexible and war and holy is great training!
Best Mage: Paladin. This is likely due to the fact that I've played him almost exclusively for the last month and a half or so.
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For me, I love playing wizards. Same for d&d. Do not like going against necro.
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Forcemaster is my best Mage and also my favorite to play. Lorewise I'm not sure of though.
To be honest I've always been confused about what sets the mind school and the arcane school apart from each other in story. Why are the wizards the only ones actually systematically investigating the mysteries of magic when Forcemasters are the ones with super powered minds? Shouldn't forcemasters automatically have an advantage over wizards when it comes to magical research?
My head-canon explanation is that science isn't just a wizard thing, that a lot of the mages can do scientific research on the kind of magic they specialize in, and that the wizards are just the ones that study their universe's equivalent to physics.
And yet we haven't seen any sciency type characters in story who were not trained in arcane. For instance, I want to see beastmasters doing their own zooology work, not just amadseer the arcane trained wizard doing their area of expertise for them.
If my head canon were actual canon, I would say the forcemaster was my favorite Mage in every way. But it seems like the wizards are the only ones who actually are curious enough to do science on anything. But the wizards also seem a little like straw vulcans in some respects. So I'm not quite sure how to feel about them. It's almost like the forcemasters are smart AND wise philosophers and the wizards are smart but foolish scientists. When all the scientists in your fantasy world are less wise than everybody else on average, and there's a class of super smart and wise people who don't do science at all and they are so smart that they have psychic powers...
So like I said, I'm not sure how to feel about the wizard and forcemaster. If not for these issues they would easily be my top 2 favorites.
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Favorite mage - Necromancer. I have always liked the idea of necromancers in other games and have always played them when available, d&d, skyrim, mage wars, any other adventure game. Thematically it intrigues me and just from liking dark mages I have a bias for the only pure dark mage atm.
Best mage - Necromancer. I have been playing for just over 2 years? and I have devoted about 85-90% of my mage wars time to this mage alone so he is my best mage.
Mage I despise playing against - priestess. She just goes against anything and everything a necromancer wants to do. She heals everything when you try to give it finite life, she has a built in ability to remove conditions, and the holy school just got even better with pvs.
I use to despise playing against forcemasters because I saw a lot of mind control which is another reason I shifted to the necromancer :)
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I think it may help to view force master as a psionic/jedi (more jedi than monk) rather than arcane mystical. Casting spells in rpg has been mostly province of wizards, warlocks/sorcerers, clerics, necros, and druids. The force master is outside of that arcane/divine caster circle thematics. That is how I consider it.
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@sv
I think it may help to view force master as a psionic/jedi (more jedi than monk) rather than arcane mystical. Casting spells in rpg has been mostly province of wizards, warlocks/sorcerers, clerics, necros, and druids. The force master is outside of that arcane/divine caster circle thematics. That is how I consider it.
Well yes, but I don't understand why that means the wizard must be the Mage of SCIENCE!
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@sv yeah Wizard is kind of like a mad scientist with voltari imo. Forcemaster draws her power from a different source altogether
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My favorite is still the Malakai Priest, and that's possibly the one I'm strongest with. Although I might be better with the Straywood Beastmaster.
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My favorite is slowly starting to be dark mages in general. I'm really digging the Necromancer and Adramalech Warlock and getting a lot of new builds and ideas through the dark magic. Not sure which one will come out on top.
My strongest Mage right now is still probably the Straywood. I have won many games with him and feel the likely reason is the deepness of the school and being flexible with his play style.
My least favorite Mage to play as is bloodwave warlord. Just have not played well with him and his abilities feel the least awesome. That being said I will get the warlord to work and try and play well with him one day. I will not give up.
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I am really liking the orc warlord. I have been really happy with mine of late. I forgot to mention least favorite mage to play. I think jaktari.
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I am really liking the orc warlord. I have been really happy with mine of late. I forgot to mention least favorite mage to play. I think jaktari.
What makes you like him?
Have you figured him out! ;)
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Coshade, how you gonna comment and not give us your picks? Come ahhhn!
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I am really liking the orc warlord. I have been really happy with mine of late. I forgot to mention least favorite mage to play. I think jaktari.
What makes you like him?
Have you figured him out! ;)
I think so. I have played several games and have won most. beating some decent opponents fielding strong books. more play needed to make sure it is solid. it is a mage I am seriously considering for gen con. I know folks dog the orc, but I disagree.
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I think the Bloodwave is a very strong mage who's only getting stronger in the not too distant future. I'd love to see some at Gen Con.
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I think the Bloodwave is a very strong mage who's only getting stronger in the not too distant future. I'd love to see some at Gen Con.
Why do you think the community thinks the so bad then?
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not to derail this thread. I think they like the dwarf abilities by comparison and view them as significantly better. which is fine and possibly correct.
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There are like 4 threads on that Red, lol is mostly that his orders are sub par versions of existing spells and veteran is a crappy ability. Before FiF and PvS he has a really crappy creature selection as well
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and veteran is a crappy ability.
If only they could stack...
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this is an interesting topic. favorite mage and which you play best. and how some folks have different answers for the two. I would guess some really like the thematics of certain mages but play others more effectively.
and it is also cool to see what people really like for the two as well. Now why you all don't like wizards is beyond me. :D
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So sorry I only answered half the question.
Least Favorite Mage to Play: Force Master. I'm terrible with this mage and she just does not synch for me. I greatly respect good FM players but I'm just not one of them.
Least Favorite to Fight: I don't think I have one. I'll fight anyone with any mage. I have beaten and lost to every mage. I use to hate the predictability of Wizards though I normally beat them. Since errata they're less formula driven.
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Coshade, how you gonna comment and not give us your picks? Come ahhhn!
It's actually really funny because we have the same picks.
I love the Priest. I like using chance dice you get from dazes to try and have a proper defense. The Holy Avenger is also a blast for similar reasons that the Pet rocks. I prefer the Priest because he has certain avenues that the other holy mages just cant replicate that you mentioned. With all the new holy stuff that came out I am still experimenting with tons of new stuff. The runner up for most fun is Beastslinger. That is just a ridiculously fun book that everyone has a laugh after the game is done.
My best mage is really tough for me to pinpoint. I think my Druid is the strongest (again like you romeo XD), but at the same time it's tough for me to decide. The ones in the running are Priest, Druid, Siren, and Wizard. I've worked pretty extensively on those four books and they all have a chance against each other.
In terms of what mage I prefer to not play against I would rather change that question. I really dislike the playstyles that delay the game for the sake of delaying. Sometimes having 6 tanglevines makes sense, other times its just delaying an inevitable. High armor books that have no followup tend to be unfun to play against.
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I'm quite surprised that the Siren is not on this list; mind you her life is quite low....
Best Mage: I would have to go with a top 3 on this one
1- Forcemaster: You wanna win a quick game and guarantee that your opponent has no control? Forcemaster is your best option, with pretty much all you need to make sure your opponent stops dead in his tracks. If you're quick/efficient enough, you don't need to worry about creature swarms too much. Only major weakness is a opponent wizard who's filled with Arcane spells
2- Druid: Plants are limited yet so powerful. So many available options, with your only major weakness being fire, although this is easily bettered by almost everything you own having regenerating traits. Definitely a powerhouse in my books
3-Siren: Surprised that she isn't on this list yet; all you need is some shallow Sea, Crocodiles, the Sherean Leviathan and the Kraken and you are an immediate threat, no matter you the opponent is playing as. Only issues I have are her low life and mana, as well as the fact that the designers did not give her any triple costs for fire spells (why I do not know....)
Worst Mage for me has to be the Bloodwave Warlord; just a bunch of basic military units with no special characteristics, and besides for the tough equipment that he has there's no much more that can help his cause.
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I'm quite surprised that the Siren is not on this list; mind you her life is quite low....
Best Mage: I would have to go with a top 3 on this one
1- Forcemaster: You wanna win a quick game and guarantee that your opponent has no control? Forcemaster is your best option, with pretty much all you need to make sure your opponent stops dead in his tracks. If you're quick/efficient enough, you don't need to worry about creature swarms too much. Only major weakness is a opponent wizard who's filled with Arcane spells
2- Druid: Plants are limited yet so powerful. So many available options, with your only major weakness being fire, although this is easily bettered by almost everything you own having regenerating traits. Definitely a powerhouse in my books
3-Siren: Surprised that she isn't on this list yet; all you need is some shallow Sea, Crocodiles, the Sherean Leviathan and the Kraken and you are an immediate threat, no matter you the opponent is playing as. Only issues I have are her low life and mana, as well as the fact that the designers did not give her any triple costs for fire spells (why I do not know....)
Worst Mage for me has to be the Bloodwave Warlord; just a bunch of basic military units with no special characteristics, and besides for the tough equipment that he has there's no much more that can help his cause.
Why would she have triple cost for fire? She's a water Mage not an ice Mage. As for why she doesn't have a triple cost school, maybe it's to compensate for her low life? Mages don't have to have a triple cost school to be balanced. But all mages must have relative strengths and weaknesses, things they do better at and things they do worse at.
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I'm quite surprised that the Siren is not on this list; mind you her life is quite low....
Best Mage: I would have to go with a top 3 on this one
1- Forcemaster: You wanna win a quick game and guarantee that your opponent has no control? Forcemaster is your best option, with pretty much all you need to make sure your opponent stops dead in his tracks. If you're quick/efficient enough, you don't need to worry about creature swarms too much. Only major weakness is a opponent wizard who's filled with Arcane spells
2- Druid: Plants are limited yet so powerful. So many available options, with your only major weakness being fire, although this is easily bettered by almost everything you own having regenerating traits. Definitely a powerhouse in my books
3-Siren: Surprised that she isn't on this list yet; all you need is some shallow Sea, Crocodiles, the Sherean Leviathan and the Kraken and you are an immediate threat, no matter you the opponent is playing as. Only issues I have are her low life and mana, as well as the fact that the designers did not give her any triple costs for fire spells (why I do not know....)
Worst Mage for me has to be the Bloodwave Warlord; just a bunch of basic military units with no special characteristics, and besides for the tough equipment that he has there's no much more that can help his cause.
Why would she have triple cost for fire? She's a water Mage not an ice Mage. As for why she doesn't have a triple cost school, maybe it's to compensate for her low life? Mages don't have to have a triple cost school to be balanced. But all mages must have relative strengths and weaknesses, things they do better at and things they do worse at.
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I'd be curious to see any tangible example of a Siren mastering the art of Fire
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I'm quite surprised that the Siren is not on this list; mind you her life is quite low....
Best Mage: I would have to go with a top 3 on this one
1- Forcemaster: You wanna win a quick game and guarantee that your opponent has no control? Forcemaster is your best option, with pretty much all you need to make sure your opponent stops dead in his tracks. If you're quick/efficient enough, you don't need to worry about creature swarms too much. Only major weakness is a opponent wizard who's filled with Arcane spells
2- Druid: Plants are limited yet so powerful. So many available options, with your only major weakness being fire, although this is easily bettered by almost everything you own having regenerating traits. Definitely a powerhouse in my books
3-Siren: Surprised that she isn't on this list yet; all you need is some shallow Sea, Crocodiles, the Sherean Leviathan and the Kraken and you are an immediate threat, no matter you the opponent is playing as. Only issues I have are her low life and mana, as well as the fact that the designers did not give her any triple costs for fire spells (why I do not know....)
Worst Mage for me has to be the Bloodwave Warlord; just a bunch of basic military units with no special characteristics, and besides for the tough equipment that he has there's no much more that can help his cause.
All you need? That's like 80 + mana!
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I'm quite surprised that the Siren is not on this list; mind you her life is quite low....
Best Mage: I would have to go with a top 3 on this one
1- Forcemaster: You wanna win a quick game and guarantee that your opponent has no control? Forcemaster is your best option, with pretty much all you need to make sure your opponent stops dead in his tracks. If you're quick/efficient enough, you don't need to worry about creature swarms too much. Only major weakness is a opponent wizard who's filled with Arcane spells
2- Druid: Plants are limited yet so powerful. So many available options, with your only major weakness being fire, although this is easily bettered by almost everything you own having regenerating traits. Definitely a powerhouse in my books
3-Siren: Surprised that she isn't on this list yet; all you need is some shallow Sea, Crocodiles, the Sherean Leviathan and the Kraken and you are an immediate threat, no matter you the opponent is playing as. Only issues I have are her low life and mana, as well as the fact that the designers did not give her any triple costs for fire spells (why I do not know....)
Worst Mage for me has to be the Bloodwave Warlord; just a bunch of basic military units with no special characteristics, and besides for the tough equipment that he has there's no much more that can help his cause.
All you need? That's like 80 + mana!
My bad ;D
That is what I believe is the bare minimum. The best way to play here is full on creature mode, but there are many other water cards which can help her out
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I don't have a best mage, I usually win with all mages.
I like most the holy mages and the forcemaster, with the straywood not far away from them.
I dislike the necromancer, even though I won all 5 games I played one, and won against it 4 out of 5 games. Even though I know how to counter him, using him still feel like cheating. I hate zombie necromancers more than I hate skeleton necromancers.
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Druids, Necros, Wizards are my best mages.
I think Priestess could easily be up there as well, but my Priestess build has been from slow to very slow so im not really using her atm.
Having fun playing Siren and and even Araxian Crown Warlock.
Still a noob with the War Mages/FM, and i dont play Adramelech Warlock and Priest because they are to weak*
Straywood Beastmaster is another old favorite - where im doing a lot worse than with all other mages.
I like Johktaris fast ability a lot, so im going to use her more. Going to hunt with that spear!
*in my hands
I tend not to like playing vs long game mages unless i have a spellbook prepared for that.
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My favorite mages are Forcemaster and Adramelech Warlock. Both have a unique style and both fit me well with their aggressive but still flexible play.
I have spent much time working with priest and johktari. I want to love them for their abilities and theme but I don't get them to work as proper as I want yet.
My least favorite mages are the turtles and tanks. Those mages with books that win over time. So these are mainly the dwarf and the priestess.
Also I don't like to play the siren, but can't tell why.
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Personally I love playing tanks, but only if the tank actually can win by actually killing the other mage.
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Favorite mage? It was the Wizard until it got a lot of hate from people who hated the Tower. That (not the changes to WT or anything, just the general feeling of hate) really killed my desire to play it.
I haven't played a lot of Mages, but of the ones I've played some... probably the Straywood Beastmaster. I can make a pretty straightforward plan without a ton of thinking about technical / timing / synergy things... just keep casting animals, and get ready to melee. (My brain hurts if I have to think too much.) Mine might not always be the best strategy, but I know it won't be the worst....
OK... my favorites, using another way of judging... either the Priestess or Wizard, since they both channel 10 to start and have an innate spell ability that provides options during the game.
Best mage? I tend to lose equally with all of them.
What mage do you least enjoy playing or paying against? Any that zot plays, since he's about the only one I've really played... and since he nearly always kills me. I guess if I really had a favorite Mage, I'd also have a least favorite, since it would be the one who does best against my favorite....
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My favorite mage is the Priest, it is the first mage i picked when i first started playing the game and since then i have never regretted it. between the holy avenger and light attack synergies there are a couple cool routes you can go with strategy and book building.
My best mage is a tie between Priest and Paladin, both of my best books i have worked on the most use what i would call unorthodox tactics, but that is just kinda how i like to play and it works for me.
and there isn't really a mage i dislike playing against most. well maybe Adramelech because of the endless amount of times Shark has decimated me in the arena with it ;D
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Nice thread!
My favorite at the moment is Siren. New, highly thematic, quite flexible and so attractive...
My best pick is still for wizard. He is still so comfortable! he is quite good at mana (channel 10 and gate), which is something you enjoy each and every turn. He holds all the good tricks you need to avoid stagnation. He got not-the-best-but-still-a-good variety of creatures, from the gremlin to the gorgon. And voltari shield is a so comfortable skill... I feel very confortable playing with him.
Not to play against... I have no pick. Each mage has his point, and I enjoyed to some extent every game to this day. But sometimes I felt frustrated against necro.
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Favorite mage? It was the Wizard until it got a lot of hate from people who hated the Tower. That (not the changes to WT or anything, just the general feeling of hate) really killed my desire to play it.
I haven't played a lot of Mages, but of the ones I've played some... probably the Straywood Beastmaster. I can make a pretty straightforward plan without a ton of thinking about technical / timing / synergy things... just keep casting animals, and get ready to melee. (My brain hurts if I have to think too much.) Mine might not always be the best strategy, but I know it won't be the worst....
OK... my favorites, using another way of judging... either the Priestess or Wizard, since they both channel 10 to start and have an innate spell ability that provides options during the game.
Best mage? I tend to lose equally with all of them.
What mage do you least enjoy playing or paying against? Any that zot plays, since he's about the only one I've really played... and since he nearly always kills me. I guess if I really had a favorite Mage, I'd also have a least favorite, since it would be the one who does best against my favorite....
People hated the wizard because he was so powerful that he overcentralized the metagame. Everyone had to use a ton of spellbook points to deal with him leaving less leftover for everything else they needed to do.
The wizard didn't even play like a wizard back then, the optimal thing to do with him was to totally ignore his natural trickstery style and just overwhelm the enemy with sheer force. The wizard had more answers that could fit in his book than anyone else did, and he could generate mana and actions faster than everyone else and lock you down before you could do anything unless you devoted a ton of spell points to that one particular matchup. And no one ever played the wizard with air training. They always picked water fire or earth because those were more powerful.
On top of all these advantages, the wizard also had his tower which had spellbind at the time and he could still change the bound spell for free. This was effectively the same as raising his available spell points even more. He didn't need to include as many copies of his attack spells to make use of his tower, and he could include a lot more attack spells and he would never run out. He could easily have used 3-4 towers but he never needed to. 2 towers was always more than enough.
After the erratas the wizard is finally FINALLY fun to play and to play against. Most people probably don't hate him anymore. He's become one of my favorite mages ever since the errata. He's not the same as before. You should totally give the wizard another chance.
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I think my least favorite matchup is against necro simply because so many builds fail at least somewhat against him. And picking your poison is really difficult to.
Worst mage: I don't really know since I don't have enough games with a lot of the mages.
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Favorite Mage:
My favorite Mage is the Druid. I consider her to be one of the strongest Mages since the vine tree opens up the board so fast for you and you can quickly gain board control and momentum. It also helps that the nature enchantments are pretty much core in all builds since they are pretty much always high value. That combined with cheap rust, dissolve etc just makes her a lot of fun to play. You can in one game play a more buffed up mage that swings at your opponents, with plant conjurations helping you to deal with anything from equipment to creatures. And in the next game, you can play full support with your druid. Just pumping out creatures and supporting them, and all that in one book, a book that doesn't have to sacrifice a whole lot to fit different playstyles.
Best Mage:
I generally consider the Druid to be one of the stronger ones, if you don't have a bad dice day, I feel the druid really very heavily on dice compared to some other mages. Other than the Druid, I feel that the Necromancer has to be one of the strongest ones if not the strongest. With the Paladin being a contender since that mix of holy and war is a very deadly combination, and can be very difficult for both the Necro and Druid to deal with.
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Favorite Mage:
My favorite Mage is the Druid. I consider her to be one of the strongest Mages since the vine tree opens up the board so fast for you and you can quickly gain board control and momentum. It also helps that the nature enchantments are pretty much core in all builds since they are pretty much always high value. That combined with cheap rust, dissolve etc just makes her a lot of fun to play. You can in one game play a more buffed up mage that swings at your opponents, with plant conjurations helping you to deal with anything from equipment to creatures. And in the next game, you can play full support with your druid. Just pumping out creatures and supporting them, and all that in one book, a book that doesn't have to sacrifice a whole lot to fit different playstyles.
Best Mage:
I generally consider the Druid to be one of the stronger ones, if you don't have a bad dice day, I feel the druid really very heavily on dice compared to some other mages. Other than the Druid, I feel that the Necromancer has to be one of the strongest ones if not the strongest. With the Paladin being a contender since that mix of holy and war is a very deadly combination, and can be very difficult for both the Necro and Druid to deal with.
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Favorite mage? It was the Wizard until it got a lot of hate from people who hated the Tower. That (not the changes to WT or anything, just the general feeling of hate) really killed my desire to play it.
I haven't played a lot of Mages, but of the ones I've played some... probably the Straywood Beastmaster. I can make a pretty straightforward plan without a ton of thinking about technical / timing / synergy things... just keep casting animals, and get ready to melee. (My brain hurts if I have to think too much.) Mine might not always be the best strategy, but I know it won't be the worst....
OK... my favorites, using another way of judging... either the Priestess or Wizard, since they both channel 10 to start and have an innate spell ability that provides options during the game.
Best mage? I tend to lose equally with all of them.
What mage do you least enjoy playing or paying against? Any that zot plays, since he's about the only one I've really played... and since he nearly always kills me. I guess if I really had a favorite Mage, I'd also have a least favorite, since it would be the one who does best against my favorite....
People hated the wizard because he was so powerful that he overcentralized the metagame. Everyone had to use a ton of spellbook points to deal with him leaving less leftover for everything else they needed to do.
The wizard didn't even play like a wizard back then, the optimal thing to do with him was to totally ignore his natural trickstery style and just overwhelm the enemy with sheer force. The wizard had more answers that could fit in his book than anyone else did, and he could generate mana and actions faster than everyone else and lock you down before you could do anything unless you devoted a ton of spell points to that one particular matchup. And no one ever played the wizard with air training. They always picked water fire or earth because those were more powerful.
On top of all these advantages, the wizard also had his tower which had spellbind at the time and he could still change the bound spell for free. This was effectively the same as raising his available spell points even more. He didn't need to include as many copies of his attack spells to make use of his tower, and he could include a lot more attack spells and he would never run out. He could easily have used 3-4 towers but he never needed to. 2 towers was always more than enough.
After the erratas the wizard is finally FINALLY fun to play and to play against. Most people probably don't hate him anymore. He's become one of my favorite mages ever since the errata. He's not the same as before. You should totally give the wizard another chance.
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Yep I have to agree that I did not play wizard much before errata because I felt he was OP. Now that the changes are made and more sets have came out to expand the meta the wizard is still strong but not annoyingly so. Yea he still has some of the strongest starting abilities in the game but with cards like lesser teleport and arcane ward it has helped other schools and made it more even for the other mages.
That said like sailor I'm playing him more and enjoy it a lot, Super fun.
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Favorite mage? It was the Wizard until it got a lot of hate from people who hated the Tower. That (not the changes to WT or anything, just the general feeling of hate) really killed my desire to play it.
I haven't played a lot of Mages, but of the ones I've played some... probably the Straywood Beastmaster. I can make a pretty straightforward plan without a ton of thinking about technical / timing / synergy things... just keep casting animals, and get ready to melee. (My brain hurts if I have to think too much.) Mine might not always be the best strategy, but I know it won't be the worst....
OK... my favorites, using another way of judging... either the Priestess or Wizard, since they both channel 10 to start and have an innate spell ability that provides options during the game.
Best mage? I tend to lose equally with all of them.
What mage do you least enjoy playing or paying against? Any that zot plays, since he's about the only one I've really played... and since he nearly always kills me. I guess if I really had a favorite Mage, I'd also have a least favorite, since it would be the one who does best against my favorite....
People hated the wizard because he was so powerful that he overcentralized the metagame. Everyone had to use a ton of spellbook points to deal with him leaving less leftover for everything else they needed to do.
The wizard didn't even play like a wizard back then, the optimal thing to do with him was to totally ignore his natural trickstery style and just overwhelm the enemy with sheer force. The wizard had more answers that could fit in his book than anyone else did, and he could generate mana and actions faster than everyone else and lock you down before you could do anything unless you devoted a ton of spell points to that one particular matchup. And no one ever played the wizard with air training. They always picked water fire or earth because those were more powerful.
On top of all these advantages, the wizard also had his tower which had spellbind at the time and he could still change the bound spell for free. This was effectively the same as raising his available spell points even more. He didn't need to include as many copies of his attack spells to make use of his tower, and he could include a lot more attack spells and he would never run out. He could easily have used 3-4 towers but he never needed to. 2 towers was always more than enough.
After the erratas the wizard is finally FINALLY fun to play and to play against. Most people probably don't hate him anymore. He's become one of my favorite mages ever since the errata. He's not the same as before. You should totally give the wizard another chance.
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Yep I have to agree that I did not play wizard much before errata because I felt he was OP. Now that the changes are made and more sets have came out to expand the meta the wizard is still strong but not annoyingly so. Yea he still has some of the strongest starting abilities in the game but with cards like lesser teleport and arcane ward it has helped other schools and made it more even for the other mages.
That said like sailor I'm playing him more and enjoy it a lot, Super fun.
Well what happened was after the nerf, like almost everyone just dropped him. Other than Sailor and Jack, I don't think I've seen many wizards at all since the nerf.
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We have wizards in Charlotte. They're secondary books but they're good books none the less.
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Yeah, people still play them, just not really on OCTGN.
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the wizard is certainly played in indy. :D
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He's still around, its just that you've got to go back to actually thinking your way into a good book for him. It was a bit too easy to make a brute force killer out of the wizard than to take advantage of the awesome arcane school. Besides that almost every wizard you see In the library is a NON air wizard, makin them unplayable now. He's not the "auto win" choice anymore.
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He's still around, its just that you've got to go back to actually thinking your way into a good book for him. It was a bit too easy to make a brute force killer out of the wizard than to take advantage of the awesome arcane school. Besides that almost every wizard you see In the library is a NON air wizard, makin them unplayable now. He's not the "auto win" choice anymore.
The thing is, for top level players like Mystery and Schwen, the wizard was not OP. It was mainly for the general public. And that's considering he was ever really OP.
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He's still around, its just that you've got to go back to actually thinking your way into a good book for him. It was a bit too easy to make a brute force killer out of the wizard than to take advantage of the awesome arcane school. Besides that almost every wizard you see In the library is a NON air wizard, makin them unplayable now. He's not the "auto win" choice anymore.
I wish we could play earlier metas again but with the wizard and tower erratas this time. It would be fun and interesting to see what it would've been like.
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Honestly I'm not sure if he tower errata was necessary especially with the wizard being only air focused. IMo the air only focus was neccessary to allow the other mages be more unique and strong in the element of their training. The wizard tower was a pretty drastic change with the inclusion of the air focused training. Maybe changing the bound spell with an additional mana cost would of been a better option.
I guess the one good thing the wizard tower errata did was change the need to include 3-4 in every wizard build.
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Honestly I'm not sure if he tower errata was necessary especially with the wizard being only air focused. IMo the air only focus was neccessary to allow the other mages be more unique and strong in the element of their training. The wizard tower was a pretty drastic change with the inclusion of the air focused training. Maybe changing the bound spell with an additional mana cost would of been a better option.
I guess the one good thing the wizard tower errata did was change the need to include 3-4 in every wizard build.
Agreed.
The tower wasn't necarily OP. Schwen has pointed out numerous times the endless ways to deal with it.
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Honestly I'm not sure if he tower errata was necessary especially with the wizard being only air focused. IMo the air only focus was neccessary to allow the other mages be more unique and strong in the element of their training. The wizard tower was a pretty drastic change with the inclusion of the air focused training. Maybe changing the bound spell with an additional mana cost would of been a better option.
I guess the one good thing the wizard tower errata did was change the need to include 3-4 in every wizard build.
Agreed.
The tower wasn't necarily OP. Schwen has pointed out numerous times the endless ways to deal with it.
I would disagree here, but that discussion is too retro :)
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Folks lets move the Wizard discussion to one of the many Wizard threads?
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Agreed. Free up space for bashing the beastmaster! :D
especially those southern beastmasters.
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In 89 days you're mine Zot. Just an appetizer on my way to your buddy Coshade :)
Don't go messin with a country boy ;)
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My favorite mage is the Forcemaster because I love the positional abilities and spells she has at her disposal. I also enjoy playing the Paladin and the Priestess. I like the Holy school's ability to keep its creatures alive so that they can wreck stuff. I have fun every time I play a Bloodwave Warlord as well.
Personally, I think I'm best with the Priestess. Her combinations just feel natural to my playstyle. Her Restore ability is unbelievably underrated. Of course, given a random Forcemaster book I can probably acquit myself well also (I would be AMAZING with her if I could every have her Deflect work :P).
I still have a bad taste in my mouth regarding Wizards. I don't like them and I probably never will.
My least favorite mage to fight against is the Bloodwave Warlord because I want him to win so badly. :)
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In 89 days you're mine Zot. Just an appetizer on my way to your buddy Coshade :)
Don't go messin with a country boy ;)
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I still have a bad taste in my mouth regarding Wizards. I don't like them and I probably never will.
My least favorite mage to fight against is the Bloodwave Warlord because I want him to win so badly. :)
That bad taste is the lingering zot from an electrical blast. The twitches and tremors are permanent however. :)
Though I do agree the deflect on the forcemaster is awesome when it works.
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I still have a bad taste in my mouth regarding Wizards. I don't like them and I probably never will.
My least favorite mage to fight against is the Bloodwave Warlord because I want him to win so badly. :)
That bad taste is the lingering zot from an electrical blast. The twitches and tremors are permanent however. :)
Though I do agree the deflect on the forcemaster is awesome when it works.
I only really play a blasting wizard. I never liked gate and likely never will.