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Mage Wars => Strategy and Tactics => Topic started by: Ravepig on March 10, 2017, 08:25:07 AM
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Within my local gaming group, we have two undefeated Mages. I have my undefeated Warlock, and my buddy has an undefeated Paladin. The two have yet to face off, though that is the match everyone in our group is wanting to see. I agree, it would be fun to square off to once and for all declare a single undefeated mage of Central Iowa.
That said, while I have two PVS sets, I have yet to actually play as the Paladin but know he has some nasty tricks when facing demons and non-living. For those well-versed in Paladin-play, what advice can you give this somewhat nervous Warlock for when he faces his arch-rival in the Arena?
My initial thought is to just rush with the tried and true Fire Ring/Hawkeye strategy and fireball his arse up and down the arena. Throwing out a deathlock or poisone blood if needed- maybe load up on dissolves to keep him from getting that nasty sword to hand.
I love pairing the Warlock up with twin blood demons, but with the Paladin's banner and creature library, I'm not exactly wanting to give him time to build up either.
Thoughts, ideas and suggestions welcome!
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Play fast, do not let him build up. Pressure him early so he can't build up a strong creature or super mage. Save dissolves for wand if possible, if you only have 2 or something, I would recomend adding a disarm to disable the guantlets for a round.
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I agree with Red here. The longer it goes the more it's in his favor. Keep the curse game going and bury him in hate. Which Warlock are you using?
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I agree with Red here. The longer it goes the more it's in his favor. Keep the curse game going and bury him in hate. Which Warlock are you using?
Arraxian Crown. Yeah, I'm thinking rush. So, I have Eagle Claw boots to counter walls ready to go. Just trying to preemptively think thru what he might throw at me to mitigate the rush. He's going to know it's coming ha ha.
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I also think you want 1-2 other creatures so he can't focus them and the curses. Make him try to dispel/remove the curses and die to the creatures or try to kill the creatures and loose to the curses.
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I also think you want 1-2 other creatures so he can't focus them and the curses. Make him try to dispel/remove the curses and die to the creatures or try to kill the creatures and loose to the curses.
What creatures do you have in mind? I stock this book with three blood demons, which has worked very well, and in truth, I have seldom even needed to cast. I've had two of them out at the most, and that was a game where I intentionally avoided the rush just to get the creatures out for fun. Or do you suggest, I stick with Blood demons and take the risk with his anti-demon tricks? Granted they are flying so that would create a problem for him.
Also, this guy loves his healing spells. I mean like ridiculously loves them. After our matches Wednesday night when everyone indicated they wanted to see this particular match-up, he made a point to taunt me with the fact he has spells that heal even with finite life in play. I can't recall what those spells are off the top of my head, but it gave me cause for concern. Though, if I focus him with fire spell after fire spell, he would be wasting actions on healing. So, there's that.
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I believe he is talking about martyr's restoration? It removes 5 dmg and places it on the castor regarless of finite life. So cassiel could cast it. Also the new unicorn can heal through finite life.
Do you use sealed demon? He is a beast and elusive will help him hit the targets you need.
If you see cassiel, kill or chant of rage her. She is too good left alive.
The creature should be something that won't die easy. Does he use eye for an eye? If so, something that can heal would be preferable, not zombie brute as eye will just wreck him.
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Yeah the unicorn removes two damage a turn through finite life. Cadsiel can cast Martyrs Restoration but that's almost all her life. It's a last ditch effort.
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I believe he is talking about martyr's restoration? It removes 5 dmg and places it on the castor regarless of finite life. So cassiel could cast it. Also the new unicorn can heal through finite life.
Do you use sealed demon? He is a beast and elusive will help him hit the targets you need.
If you see cassiel, kill or chant of rage her. She is too good left alive.
The creature should be something that won't die easy. Does he use eye for an eye? If so, something that can heal would be preferable, not zombie brute as eye will just wreck him.
Oh yes, he will be bringing max eye for eye spells.
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Yeah the unicorn removes two damage a turn through finite life. Cadsiel can cast Martyrs Restoration but that's almost all her life. It's a last ditch effort.
Agreed, and if you put him on the defensive like that, he is spending less action hurting you.
I think I would add a dissolve if you only have 1. 2/3 dissolve and 1-2 curse item is preferable in this type of matchup I think. And mage wand would be very helpful as well.
Punish him for challenging you. Remove his armor and beat him to death while the curses work their magic.
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In that case, seeking dispel wand would be very helpful.
Or some way to heal your creatures, stop him from hitting them.
Surging wave works nicely.
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Curse Item his fancy hear gear and pop Eye 4 Eye with expendable creatures.
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In that case, seeking dispel wand would be very helpful.
Or some way to heal your creatures, stop him from hitting them.
Surging wave works nicely.
I definitely like Seeking Dispel Wand and Surging Wave as a back up. I've also become very fond of Curse Item.
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In that case, seeking dispel wand would be very helpful.
Or some way to heal your creatures, stop him from hitting them.
Surging wave works nicely.
I definitely like Seeking Dispel Wand and Surging Wave as a back up. I've also become very fond of Curse Item.
Don't rely on it to much. It should distract him from dealing with your threats though so that is nice.
GET rid of the banner if it shows up.
Akiro, hawkeye and fireball that thing.
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In that case, seeking dispel wand would be very helpful.
Or some way to heal your creatures, stop him from hitting them.
Surging wave works nicely.
I definitely like Seeking Dispel Wand and Surging Wave as a back up. I've also become very fond of Curse Item.
Don't rely on it to much. It should distract him from dealing with your threats though so that is nice.
GET rid of the banner if it shows up.
Akiro, hawkeye and fireball that thing.
Yes, I agree 100%. Banner is a must-be-destroyed card.
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In that case, seeking dispel wand would be very helpful.
Or some way to heal your creatures, stop him from hitting them.
Surging wave works nicely.
I definitely like Seeking Dispel Wand and Surging Wave as a back up. I've also become very fond of Curse Item.
Don't rely on it to much. It should distract him from dealing with your threats though so that is nice.
GET rid of the banner if it shows up.
Akiro, hawkeye and fireball that thing.
Yes, I agree 100%. Banner is a must-be-destroyed card.
Problem is he could final qc it then pop it next round.
But then he will have very little mana and you should be able to finish him off.
Is the match going to be timed?
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In that case, seeking dispel wand would be very helpful.
Or some way to heal your creatures, stop him from hitting them.
Surging wave works nicely.
I definitely like Seeking Dispel Wand and Surging Wave as a back up. I've also become very fond of Curse Item.
Don't rely on it to much. It should distract him from dealing with your threats though so that is nice.
GET rid of the banner if it shows up.
Akiro, hawkeye and fireball that thing.
Yes, I agree 100%. Banner is a must-be-destroyed card.
Problem is he could final qc it then pop it next round.
But then he will have very little mana and you should be able to finish him off.
Is the match going to be timed?
No, we don't like to play timed-matches. We've seen so many come-from-behind wins that all agree it's to the death.
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Ah that makes it better for him.
If he can outlast, he will win. Your job is to keep the pressure up and make all his choices bad ones.
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Show your Paladin friend the forums so that he can see all of the strategy you can or I'm putting an asterix next to your 'victory'. ;)
I'd be careful about being too aggressive. Yes, aggression is good, but if you run out of gas vs an endurance mage like the paladin you are going to lose.
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Show your Paladin friend the forums so that he can see all of the strategy you can or I'm putting an asterix next to your 'victory'. ;)
I'd be careful about being too aggressive. Yes, aggression is good, but if you run out of gas vs an endurance mage like the paladin you are going to lose.
The paladin is not an endurance mage per say.
You can not let him build up though so lots of pressure is required.
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Show your Paladin friend the forums so that he can see all of the strategy you can or I'm putting an asterix next to your 'victory'. ;)
I'd be careful about being too aggressive. Yes, aggression is good, but if you run out of gas vs an endurance mage like the paladin you are going to lose.
The paladin is not an endurance mage per say.
You can not let him build up though so lots of pressure is required.
I'm not going to get into an argument about it with you as opinions vary, but suffice it to say, HOLY is an Endurance school and Paladin is basically fully trained in Holy. Also, if he can last long enough to activate his auras (read: Endure) the game will most likely be his.
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Show your Paladin friend the forums so that he can see all of the strategy you can or I'm putting an asterix next to your 'victory'. ;)
I'd be careful about being too aggressive. Yes, aggression is good, but if you run out of gas vs an endurance mage like the paladin you are going to lose.
The paladin is not an endurance mage per say.
You can not let him build up though so lots of pressure is required.
I'm not going to get into an argument about it with you as opinions vary, but suffice it to say, HOLY is an Endurance school and Paladin is basically fully trained in Holy. Also, if he can last long enough to activate his auras (read: Endure) the game will most likely be his.
All true and valid points.
I just think he can run out of steam in the late game.
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Show your Paladin friend the forums so that he can see all of the strategy you can or I'm putting an asterix next to your 'victory'. ;)
I'd be careful about being too aggressive. Yes, aggression is good, but if you run out of gas vs an endurance mage like the paladin you are going to lose.
Well, you'll just have to put that asterisk next to my victory because my paladin friend hasn't been to the forum, even though I've tried to tell him how helpful it's been for me. I can't help it if I'm utilizing all my resources in preparation of a big match and he chooses not to ha ha! :P Let's consider this a pre-match study and coaching session that he has declined.
That's the balance I'm trying to determine- rush damage vs. long-game endurance specific to the Paladin. I've always played either/or.
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Go for the later game kill if you need to.
Wardstone will be helpful if you curse him and he wants to remove curse or something
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If you can post your book, I could give you some feedback on what I think you should add to help you vs the specific matchup.
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If you can post your book, I could give you some feedback on what I think you should add to help you vs the specific matchup.
I'll do that. I'll get it together this weekend and post. Thanks!!!
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If you can post your book, I could give you some feedback on what I think you should add to help you vs the specific matchup.
I'll do that. I'll get it together this weekend and post. Thanks!!!
Great!
Sometimes vs certain mages/ books, you add cards to your toolbox. A perfect example of this is keej's warlord he played vs aridigas. He added certain cards in case aridigas went for certain mages. Fireball for druid, lightning bolt for force master, etc.
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Not seeing any book from you (so maybe you already know this) but a really fun tactic against holy mages with Araxian crown is Rise Again. If you focus on their living creatures (which if they run banner they will probably have something), you can rise again before the kill then get the curse back and go onto the next creature. It's a way you can get a creature using only a quickcast. Griffins are really nice with that since they are fast and become normal speed after becoming a zombie!
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Not seeing any book from you (so maybe you already know this) but a really fun tactic against holy mages with Araxian crown is Rise Again. If you focus on their living creatures (which if they run banner they will probably have something), you can rise again before the kill then get the curse back and go onto the next creature. It's a way you can get a creature using only a quickcast. Griffins are really nice with that since they are fast and become normal speed after becoming a zombie!
Actually, no- I had a copy in one of my books a while back, but never really got use out of it. That could be a fun tactic to try indeed- I like it! Thanks for the suggestion!
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Not seeing any book from you (so maybe you already know this) but a really fun tactic against holy mages with Araxian crown is Rise Again. If you focus on their living creatures (which if they run banner they will probably have something), you can rise again before the kill then get the curse back and go onto the next creature. It's a way you can get a creature using only a quickcast. Griffins are really nice with that since they are fast and become normal speed after becoming a zombie!
Actually, no- I had a copy in one of my books a while back, but never really got use out of it. That could be a fun tactic to try indeed- I like it! Thanks for the suggestion!
If you know he likes angels, include 2-4 chant of rage.
Make sure to post a battle report!
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Not seeing any book from you (so maybe you already know this) but a really fun tactic against holy mages with Araxian crown is Rise Again. If you focus on their living creatures (which if they run banner they will probably have something), you can rise again before the kill then get the curse back and go onto the next creature. It's a way you can get a creature using only a quickcast. Griffins are really nice with that since they are fast and become normal speed after becoming a zombie!
Actually, no- I had a copy in one of my books a while back, but never really got use out of it. That could be a fun tactic to try indeed- I like it! Thanks for the suggestion!
If you know he likes angels, include 2-4 chant of rage.
Make sure to post a battle report!
Wound up having a busy weekend and didn't have a chance to put my book together. Hoping to do that tomorrow PM (busy tonight unfortunately). I am not sure if we are playing this Wednesday evening or not, but if do wind up playing, I will definitely provide an update!