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Mage Wars => Strategy and Tactics => Topic started by: Reddicediaries on January 21, 2017, 08:37:40 PM
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So I have been seeing a lot of books with 0-2 dispel dissolve. The people that play those books say they have "more important actions to do. What are those actions and can 1 dispel/dissolve really change the game state enough to swing it?
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In the case of Jimillias Necromancer she is normally summoning skeletons and cursing you. Curse Item is more useful to her than Dissolve for example. Dispel with a dark mage is for removing buffs on your enemy, well so is Arcane Corruption. Dark has a utility all it's own these days that people forget.
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In the case of Jimillias Necromancer she is normally summoning skeletons and cursing you. Curse Item is more useful to her than Dissolve for example. Dispel with a dark mage is for removing buffs on your enemy, well so is Arcane Corruption. Dark has a utility all it's own these days that people forget.
Her book seems very meta specific. 4 ghoul' rots is 8 points that can be useless in certain matchups. Also seems high armor is not very prevelent.
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Her book has won matches at Gen Con and against some of the best on the forums from outside Charlotte. The 4 ghoul rots I've argued with her about in the past I admit. Her book works for her very well though.
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Her book has won matches at Gen Con and against some of the best on the forums from outside Charlotte. The 4 ghoul rots I've argued with her about in the past I admit. Her book works for her very well though.
i bet it does (good book played by great player.)
Vs AT Tank, you are in trouble though. And from what she posted, no curse item.
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That would explain why that book is short some points when I counted it. She's got it in there.
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That would explain why that book is short some points when I counted it. She's got it in there.
Then the book would be over 1 point.
I guess tanks are not popular in Charlotte: 1 dissolve will not do you a whole lot of goof.
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That would explain why that book is short some points when I counted it. She's got it in there.
Then the book would be over 1 point.
I guess tanks are not popular in Charlotte: 1 dissolve will not do you a whole lot of goof.
We have tanks. I'd caution you against making assumptions about our meta. Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not valid elsewhere. Hopefully you'll get a chance to play some of us some day :)
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That would explain why that book is short some points when I counted it. She's got it in there.
Then the book would be over 1 point.
I guess tanks are not popular in Charlotte: 1 dissolve will not do you a whole lot of goof.
We have tanks. I'd caution you against making assumptions about our meta. Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not valid elsewhere. Hopefully you'll get a chance to play some of us some day :)
Hopefully I can make gen con this year. Tanks must be a dificult matchup still, would need some seperate plans i guess.
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That would explain why that book is short some points when I counted it. She's got it in there.
Then the book would be over 1 point.
I guess tanks are not popular in Charlotte: 1 dissolve will not do you a whole lot of goof.
We have tanks. I'd caution you against making assumptions about our meta. Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not valid elsewhere. Hopefully you'll get a chance to play some of us some day :)
Hopefully I can make gen con this year. Tanks must be a dificult matchup still, would need some seperate plans i guess.
I use Tangle Vines to keep them in place myself and let my beefier creatures take care of them while the swarm builds. I know local Dark Mages use Curses like Enfeeble, Agony, Mage Bane, etc to counter a lot of them but as I'm not a Dark main I wouldn't speak for them entirely.
Tanks come in the form of Force Masters, Araxian Warlocks, Beast Masters, and Paladins most commonly here. We lost our only Wizard primary player and while we're recruiting lots of new players I don't know if any will go tank. Druids do well here.
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That would explain why that book is short some points when I counted it. She's got it in there.
Then the book would be over 1 point.
I guess tanks are not popular in Charlotte: 1 dissolve will not do you a whole lot of goof.
We have tanks. I'd caution you against making assumptions about our meta. Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not valid elsewhere. Hopefully you'll get a chance to play some of us some day :)
Hopefully I can make gen con this year. Tanks must be a dificult matchup still, would need some seperate plans i guess.
I use Tangle Vines to keep them in place myself and let my beefier creatures take care of them while the swarm builds. I know local Dark Mages use Curses like Enfeeble, Agony, Mage Bane, etc to counter a lot of them but as I'm not a Dark main I wouldn't speak for them entirely.
Tanks come in the form of Force Masters, Araxian Warlocks, Beast Masters, and Paladins most commonly here. We lost our only Wizard primary player and while we're recruiting lots of new players I don't know if any will go tank. Druids do well here.
That's solid. What does FM tank look like?
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A pain in the dairy arse. It surges a lot faster than other tanks and usually involves hefty defensive enchantments as well as the the equipment to get it done. Steal Equipment to make your opponents strength your own. Focused fire on the mage at all times with Enchantments being used to control other creatures. 90% of all damage comes from the Mage and a dancing Scimitar.
I suppose an Invisible Stalker would technically make it a "buddy build" even if the only Stalker I see normally goes and tears down infrastructure more. My friend TrentMagus took 4th at Gen Con with a Force Master Tank in 2015.
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A pain in the dairy arse. It surges a lot faster than other tanks and usually involves hefty defensive enchantments as well as the the equipment to get it done. Steal Equipment to make your opponents strength your own. Focused fire on the mage at all times with Enchantments being used to control other creatures. 90% of all damage comes from the Mage and a dancing Scimitar.
I suppose an Invisible Stalker would technically make it a "buddy build" even if the only Stalker I see normally goes and tears down infrastructure more. My friend TrentMagus took 4th at Gen Con with a Force Master Tank in 2015.
I see, tough indeed. Saw Magus' build, real nice. How does your SB match up against it?
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Well Magus moved to the Czech Republic last year so I've regretfully not fought him in a while. While he was here we fought constantly with our primary mages as Trent Magus is a very long time gaming rival of mine. Savage, vicious matches. We split them down the middle mostly but then that's from 2 guys who know each other VERY well and knew what was in each others books. One of us would take a lead in wins and then fall back down as the other learned.
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Well Magus moved to the Czech Republic last year so I've regretfully not fought him in a while. While he was here we fought constantly with our primary mages as Trent Magus is a very long time gaming rival of mine. Savage, vicious matches. We split them down the middle mostly but then that's from 2 guys who know each other VERY well and knew what was in each others books. One of us would take a lead in wins and then fall back down as the other learned.
Sad indeed. I know your beastmaster is fleixible (enough removal, swarm or buddies) It seems it would be up to him to put the pressure on.
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Trent Magus I'll note is an older and more seasoned gamer than me. He's also if I may be frank smarter than me. Fighting your gaming mentor is always unnerving and while we're fine helping each other between matches once Initiative is rolled there is no quarter given between two friends.
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Trent Magus I'll note is an older and more seasoned gamer than me. He's also if I may be frank smarter than me. Fighting your gaming mentor is always unnerving and while we're fine helping each other between matches once Initiative is rolled there is no quarter given between two friends.
Is Ms. Sarah's forcemaster more tradtional aggro then?
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Sarahs book is not something I've fought in a while so couldn't tell you. She beat Biblofilters Beast Master at Mace I know that. Then lost to Sharkbaits Warlock. She also doesn't have LG yet so there's that too. Had she beaten Sharkbait she'd have fought Jimillia next and I'd have bet cash against her then. She's beaten me a number of times with my BM I'll say that. She has a better Win/Loss against me than Trent Magus.
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Trent Magus I'll note is an older and more seasoned gamer than me. He's also if I may be frank smarter than me. Fighting your gaming mentor is always unnerving and while we're fine helping each other between matches once Initiative is rolled there is no quarter given between two friends.
There are tomes of material written on this. Fighting the "better" opponent is all about your own gaming steel. You have to treat it more seriously and watch your own moves. Nerves are things that lose games, while concentration and focus overcome obstacles.
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Oh I'm never happier than when fighting someone on my level or just above it. I'll play it down but since today is my birthday I'll admit to it just once: I'm a very good Mage Warrior and that's because I fight other very good players as well.
I wish Trent all the blessings in the world with his wife and kids in the Czech Republic but I'd be lying through my teeth if I said I didn't miss the guy ;D
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Oh I'm never happier than when fighting someone on my level or just above it. I'll play it down but since today is my birthday I'll admit to it just once: I'm a very good Mage Warrior and that's because I fight other very good players as well.
I wish Trent all the blessings in the world with his wife and kids in the Czech Republic but I'd be lying through my teeth if I said I didn't miss the guy ;D
Hope he is doing well!
How do your matches with Jimilia usually end up?
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Jimillia can without trying beat any mage other than my Straywood. I'll get occasional wins with my Warlock or Warlord but I've never even scratched her with Holy. I've beaten her with a Wizard a few times but she's crushed me there too.
Main book against main it's going to be a toss up. If I lead with Cervere or my falcons I'm going to lose. She can just counter that almost by muscle memory now. If I lead with a big heavy hitter and get in her face fast I can keep her on the defense long enough to win it. Longer the match goes, more it favors her.
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Jimillia can without trying beat any mage other than my Straywood. I'll get occasional wins with my Warlock or Warlord but I've never even scratched her with Holy. I've beaten her with a Wizard a few times but she's crushed me there too.
Main book against main it's going to be a toss up. If I lead with Cervere or my falcons I'm going to lose. She can just counter that almost by muscle memory now. If I lead with a big heavy hitter and get in her face fast I can keep her on the defense long enough to win it. Longer the match goes, more it favors her.
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Very very interesting. Her first couple turns seems something like.
Double MANA crystal
Knightx3 + whatever she needs.
A bit surprised she hears holy so easily, only deathlock to prevent healing
I am also a bit worried about the no ethereal dmg source. Even while trying not to make assumption about your meta, no ethereal dmg type implies Incorporal is not common.
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Jimillia can without trying beat any mage other than my Straywood. I'll get occasional wins with my Warlock or Warlord but I've never even scratched her with Holy. I've beaten her with a Wizard a few times but she's crushed me there too.
Main book against main it's going to be a toss up. If I lead with Cervere or my falcons I'm going to lose. She can just counter that almost by muscle memory now. If I lead with a big heavy hitter and get in her face fast I can keep her on the defense long enough to win it. Longer the match goes, more it favors her.
Happy birthday!
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Jimillia can without trying beat any mage other than my Straywood. I'll get occasional wins with my Warlock or Warlord but I've never even scratched her with Holy. I've beaten her with a Wizard a few times but she's crushed me there too.
Main book against main it's going to be a toss up. If I lead with Cervere or my falcons I'm going to lose. She can just counter that almost by muscle memory now. If I lead with a big heavy hitter and get in her face fast I can keep her on the defense long enough to win it. Longer the match goes, more it favors her.
Happy birthday!
I second
I've been testing Jimilia's book out and have run into some problems.
Opening death ring knight
T2 knight? leaves you at one mana
To little mana
Not sure how to react to spawnpoints
not enough cheap reactions.
Not sure if I want to get into the frey or not
Sure these are only problems becasue I am not very experienced with the deck.
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All I can say to you is it's not designed to work for everyone. I've never played her book, I don't play Necromancer much anymore myself though I use to run Skellies back in the day. If this isn't working for you then try something else man.
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All I can say to you is it's not designed to work for everyone. I've never played her book, I don't play Necromancer much anymore myself though I use to run Skellies back in the day. If this isn't working for you then try something else man.
Yeah, I will keep trying though :)
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Maybe one day she'll become active on the forums(don't count on it soon) and can explain it better. Right now only Devil, JasonBourne, and myself regularly post from Charlotte.