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Mage Wars => Mages => Topic started by: Sailor Vulcan on January 21, 2014, 09:36:32 AM
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Why isn't the Malakai Priest trained in Fire?
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Why isn't the Malakai Priest trained in Fire?
It is Holy Light that is doing the burning. It is not a flame that is doing the damage but the pure goodness of Holy Light that is searing through the body of unbeliever.
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unbelieber
fixed your typo
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Ok. Spirit fire is still fire. Asyra's Holy light never burns anyone, only Malakai's. I wonder what it will look like if and when we do get a mage trained in both holy and fire. Hopefully it won't replace the Malakai Priest.
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unbelieber
fixed your typo
I guess that is All That Matters .....
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Because the Priestess isn't trained in Fire, and the Priest is the alternate version of the Priestess.
Also, fire isn't the only thing that can cause burns. Technically speaking, it's the light coming off of the fire that causes burns. So being able to burn things doesn't imply fire.
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Hah! No fair describing heat as electromagnetism! Maybe it's convection! ;)
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Convection? As in the spreading of hot air?
But what heats the air, I wonder?
Well now I know. Thanks!
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I would have LOVED if nature costed him triple and he were trained in even level 1 fire. He seems to be against nature "pagans" anyway and it would have added stronger spellbook and playstyle real diversity. I think about it often.
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Ohhh someone who's paying triple for Nature would be interesting. Could have been the Necromancer but obviously Holy was a better choice there.
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Wizard should pay triple for nature
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Wizard should pay triple for nature
Ive always felt that way. I like the idea of making the Volatric nature of Arcane be the opposed concept to the actual natural order.
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Yeah but the wizard has to be broken or else no one would play him
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Actually i liked Wizard the most since the beginning (where there was only Core set and 4 mages to choose), but not playing him for a veeery long time because feels to be OP.
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Yeah but the wizard has to be broken or else no one would play him
I'd probably play the Wizard more if it wasn't actually broken.
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I wholeheartedly agree with Aylin.
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Why wouldn't you play with a overpowered mage??? If he was crippled that would be okay? This makes no sense
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Why wouldn't you play with a overpowered mage??? If he was crippled that would be okay? This makes no sense
Where is the fun in an easy victory?
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Where is the fun in a difficult failure? Have you ever played and lost horribly??? Like an air wizard with walls of thorns on turn 3
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Why wouldn't you play with a overpowered mage??? If he was crippled that would be okay? This makes no sense
I play for the challenge. What challenge is there if I go in using the most powerful mage?
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Then you play the warlord a lot huh...
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Then you play the warlord a lot huh...
I actually play the J. Beastmaster more than the Warlord.
At the moment the Warlord is so bad there's no way to be competitive with that mage at all. Once FiF comes out I will reevaluate the strength of the Warlord(s), which might lead to me playing them more often.
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I agree with Aylin, as well. There's a sweet spot of difficulty where you can win if you play well, but you're not going in with an advantage (or with a huge disadvantage) based on your build. For me, that's the spot where the game is the most fun.
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If I wanted easy victories then I wouldn't have bought into a whole new game. I'd much rather have a hard fought and enjoyable match I lose then some cheap win where I just trounce my opponent. Winning is awesome but you learn more from loss. Losing forces you to look at what you did wrong and get better. If I win I want it to be against an actual challenge, otherwise why play?
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Back on topic, it's a simple answer as to why his training is the way it is. Because that's how the priestess is trained. I believe the main idea behind alternate mages is for them to be able to use identical spell books (not that that may be optimal for them). Being trained differently would prevent this.
However, thematically I could see him having training in fire and possibly even being weak in nature. I don't feel such is necessary though, and his current training can be explained thematically with minimal difficulty.
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You can fill dozens of forum pages arguing about playing to win vs. playing for fun...it all depends on why you're playing. If you're going to a tournament to try and win it, you should probably play a Wizard build. If you're in a casual game on OCTGN, you can play whatever you like.
No need for the Priest to be trained in Fire imo. Searing things with light and holy fire is a well-established trope.
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If I wanted easy victories then I wouldn't have bought into a whole new game. I'd much rather have a hard fought and enjoyable match I lose then some cheap win where I just trounce my opponent. Winning is awesome but you learn more from loss. Losing forces you to look at what you did wrong and get better. If I win I want it to be against an actual challenge, otherwise why play?
In playesting (even tourney playtesting) I can agree with this but when it comes to tourney matches when getting the W is the goal I do not care if the other player even puts up a fight.
Back to topic
Why isn't the Malakai Priest trained in Fire?
Because so far all the alt mage mirror the original mages
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True enough, which is why everyone (reportedly, I haven't seen myself) plays wizards at tournaments, but in casual play you get everything (besides maybe warlords). While I'd like to see the wizard's dominance broken, I'm satisfied with the way the game is currently meeting the needs of different types of players.
Also back on topic:
I like to imagine the priest shooting holy laser beams.
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I think of him wielding a light saber >_>
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If you wanna play a Jedi/Sith see the Force Master :)
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Galvitar's not as clumsy or random as a pillar of light. A more civilized weapon for a more civilized mage.
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What exactly makes a weapon more "civilized" if you don't mind my asking?
Personally I think a strike from galvitar would be far more painful than a pillar of light. Since galvitar is more painful, it could be argued that it is even less civilized a weapon.
I mean, LIGHT. You know, the stuff that we see every day that usually doesn't hurt us? Compare to a sword of PURE FORCE. I think it's kind of clear which weapon is civilized and which is bad***.
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What exactly makes a weapon more "civilized" if you don't mind my asking?
Personally I think a strike from galvitar would be far more painful than a pillar of light. Since galvitar is more painful, it could be argued that it is even less civilized a weapon.
I mean, LIGHT. You know, the stuff that we see every day that usually doesn't hurt us? Compare to a sword of PURE FORCE. I think it's kind of clear which weapon is civilized and which is bad***.
The Forcemaster is a Jedi. The Jedi use lightsabers. Therefore Galvitar is a lightsaber. QED.
Also it was a reference to episode 4.
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I'm not going to argue that the forcemaster is set up better as a sort of Jedi, but I still like imagining a weapon that does light damage is a light saber. Galvitar is made of force, which is not the same as a light saber, and still does regular melee physical damage. The reasoning that "all Jedi use light sabers therefore all weapons used by Jedi must be light sabers" is a fallacy. Forcemaster may be a Jedi/Sith but galvitar is no light saber.
Also there are plenty of instances of non force users using light sabers. Whether or not my priest is a force user, he does wield a light saber.
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Sorry, in case it wasn't clear:
From A new Hope
Your father's light saber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
And when I play a forcemaster, I definitely like to imagine a lightsaber activation noise when galvitar gets summoned.
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Sorry, in case it wasn't clear:
From A new Hope
Your father's light saber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
And when I play a forcemaster, I definitely like to imagine a lightsaber activation noise when galvitar gets summoned.
I do the same thing when I summon Galvitar:) I even make the "vroom" noise of it swinging....until my girlfriend tells me to stop doing that and roll the dice....then I just roll the dice....
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I even make the "vroom" noise of it swinging
There is an app for that
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I even make the "vroom" noise of it swinging
There is an app for that
Believe me I know lol. My phone might as well be made of coconut shells and string in terms of technology but I've seen it on friends phones.
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I'm not going to argue that the forcemaster is set up better as a sort of Jedi, but I still like imagining a weapon that does light damage is a light saber. Galvitar is made of force, which is not the same as a light saber, and still does regular melee physical damage. The reasoning that "all Jedi use light sabers therefore all weapons used by Jedi must be light sabers" is a fallacy. Forcemaster may be a Jedi/Sith but galvitar is no light saber.
Also there are plenty of instances of non force users using light sabers. Whether or not my priest is a force user, he does wield a light saber.
I thought Galvitor was made of pure energy. Which I guess you could refer to as force. Also I've noticed that it goes back into a your spell book when it's dissolved.....much like how a light saber can be summoned back to it's masters hand if disarmed :)
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Grizzly, if your phone is made of coconut shells, the only movie I can think of that it could emulate would be Monty Python and the Holy Grail which now that I think about it would be more humiliating to your opponent lol
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Oh man now every time somebody fries one of my Thunderift Falcons I'm going to blissfully pretend it's still alive! I can just see my opponent: "This falcon is dead! It is deceased! It is an ex-Falcon!" Then I'll do a falcon voice "I'm not dead! I'm feeling better! Think I'll go for a walk now!" Hehehehehe the skies the limit with bad Monty Python/Mage Wars comedy.
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I just did 10 critical damage to your Falcon!!!!
Tis merely a flesh wound.
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I'm not going to argue that the forcemaster is set up better as a sort of Jedi, but I still like imagining a weapon that does light damage is a light saber. Galvitar is made of force, which is not the same as a light saber, and still does regular melee physical damage. The reasoning that "all Jedi use light sabers therefore all weapons used by Jedi must be light sabers" is a fallacy. Forcemaster may be a Jedi/Sith but galvitar is no light saber.
Also there are plenty of instances of non force users using light sabers. Whether or not my priest is a force user, he does wield a light saber.
I thought Galvitor was made of pure energy. Which I guess you could refer to as force. Also I've noticed that it goes back into a your spell book when it's dissolved.....much like how a light saber can be summoned back to it's masters hand if disarmed :)
Nope, not energy. Just force. See the subtype. The forcemaster is creating the blade with her mind, it is not a weapon she carries around. Also, the ability to summon a light saber to his hand is inherent to the Jedi not the saber. A Jedi can do that with any object. Nothing about galvitar is reminiscent of a light saber. People just make the association based upon the user.
In fairness, nothing about the staff of asyra or the priest basic attack is necessarily like a light saber either. I just think of them as such because they do light damage and I enjoy it. Tis not any better reasoning than yours for galvitar, so not sure why I'm making a point of it lol. To each their own.
Also, I love the Monty python jokes!
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I'm not going to argue that the forcemaster is set up better as a sort of Jedi, but I still like imagining a weapon that does light damage is a light saber. Galvitar is made of force, which is not the same as a light saber, and still does regular melee physical damage. The reasoning that "all Jedi use light sabers therefore all weapons used by Jedi must be light sabers" is a fallacy. Forcemaster may be a Jedi/Sith but galvitar is no light saber.
Also there are plenty of instances of non force users using light sabers. Whether or not my priest is a force user, he does wield a light saber.
What precisely is the difference between force and energy?
I thought Galvitor was made of pure energy. Which I guess you could refer to as force. Also I've noticed that it goes back into a your spell book when it's dissolved.....much like how a light saber can be summoned back to it's masters hand if disarmed :)
Nope, not energy. Just force. See the subtype. The forcemaster is creating the blade with her mind, it is not a weapon she carries around. Also, the ability to summon a light saber to his hand is inherent to the Jedi not the saber. A Jedi can do that with any object. Nothing about galvitar is reminiscent of a light saber. People just make the association based upon the user.
In fairness, nothing about the staff of asyra or the priest basic attack is necessarily like a light saber either. I just think of them as such because they do light damage and I enjoy it. Tis not any better reasoning than yours for galvitar, so not sure why I'm making a point of it lol. To each their own.
Also, I love the Monty python jokes!
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what precisely is the difference between force and energy?
Granted, we are talking about their definition in regards to magic rather than real world definitions. I would distinguish them as force is physical, or kinetic if you prefer. It applies pressure and physically damages its target. Energy on the other hand would be more elemental, and actually changes the nature or properties of its target. Burning, freezing, draining, etc.
Light saber would be energy as it vaporizes and burns through its victim while galvitar just slices through like a normal sword.
All it is is semantics though.
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Less than semantics actually. All matter is made of energy. When a lot of energy is densely packed into a small amount of space it is matter.
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I think its obvious from the picture that it is made of the same force lightning the Emperor weilded.
Ya......I think we're done here
Darkside on dat backside