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Mage Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: ManofMagic on November 05, 2015, 11:31:40 AM
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I've been wondering when PvS and the other academy sets are going to be released.
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As soon as possible. I realize that is not a date by any stretch but it is the truth. I'm excited to post stuff about future expansion as I'm able. I know that everyone's been waiting a while, so rest assured that I plan to get information about them up as soon as I can. They're projects that have taken up the vast majority of my time working here and I want to be able to show everyone all of the exciting new things coming.
So, long story short, I don't have a date yet, but we're working to have them out as soon as possible.
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I also wonder when the spell tome will come out that was going to be half previously released promos and half new cards... (But without a common theme)
Really looking forward to that one too...
PS: http://www.arcanewonders.com/arcane-wonders/name-that-expansion
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The [Spell Tome] is totally in there too. We've been working on that a ton in the last week. I'm excited to start doing previews for all of you again. :) It's one of the joys of my job to be able to give you all something new and awesome to play with.
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Yes!!!
The way I expect this tome to be is something like a utility box with tools that any mage (or sometimes each mage!) will benefit from.
I like the idea of a non themed tome expansion!
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I've actually been having quite a bit of fun looking at all the available promos. I've also been watching the Thunderdome, and seeing what promos people have been actively playing with. Hopefully, people will be excited for it.
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I've actually been having quite a bit of fun looking at all the available promos. I've also been watching the Thunderdome, and seeing what promos people have been actively playing with. Hopefully, people will be excited for it.
Please no overpowered cards ( like Ballista ) that everybody starts putting in their books.
I'm sure it doesn't matter to anyone but the reason I'm not playing on OCTGN is exactly the fact that it runs wild with "illegal" cards ( aka "promo's" ) and thus "illegal" books, which I simply don't like.
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If a card like Ballista is released, then it will be changed from it's promo version, and most likely different than it's "Thunderdome" version.
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If a card like Ballista is released, then it will be changed from it's promo version, and most likely different than it's "Thunderdome" version.
Thanks, that's good to hear.
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I've actually been having quite a bit of fun looking at all the available promos. I've also been watching the Thunderdome, and seeing what promos people have been actively playing with. Hopefully, people will be excited for it.
Please no overpowered cards ( like Ballista ) that everybody starts putting in their books.
I'm sure it doesn't matter to anyone but the reason I'm not playing on OCTGN is exactly the fact that it runs wild with "illegal" cards ( aka "promo's" ) and thus "illegal" books, which I simply don't like.
I don't know why, many of us run both promo and non-promo books. As far as I know none of the promo's are quote illegal unquote. They are not eligible to be included in sanctioned tournament spellbooks.
I see this complaint a lot and it bothers me. First in OCTGN everyone has access to all of the published Promo's equally. Second using this as an excuse to weak, if you want to only play IRL that is fine, however don't bash it just because it has promo's which once again are completely optional and in reality you just don't want to play online. Third by running them in OCTGN you can test future card utilization and features. Everyone knows that Ballista will be nerfed when it is released. Same thing happened with Sandstorm (was a Quick Cast as a promo, and is a Full Cast in the release version).
I think what I am going to do is remove Ballista from OCTGN, that way this issue goes away. Sorry guys your books will need to be updated, I will give you plenty of warning before it happens. Once it is released I will of course put it back in, in its released form.
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Also, Wall of Force was made stronger in the retail version (more life) - so it can work both ways. Think of promos as cards still in development/testing... or at least, given a second chance to iron out any power imbalance, etc.
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I think what I am going to do is remove Ballista from OCTGN, that way this issue goes away. Sorry guys your books will need to be updated, I will give you plenty of warning before it happens. Once it is released I will of course put it back in, in its released form.
I just hate ballista. >:( I hope it will be warlord only and epic. A wizard using it in combination with the tower is unthematically and overpowered.
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I don't know why, many of us run both promo and non-promo books. As far as I know none of the promo's are quote illegal unquote. They are not eligible to be included in sanctioned tournament spellbooks.
I see this complaint a lot and it bothers me. First in OCTGN everyone has access to all of the published Promo's equally. Second using this as an excuse to weak, if you want to only play IRL that is fine, however don't bash it just because it has promo's which once again are completely optional and in reality you just don't want to play online. Third by running them in OCTGN you can test future card utilization and features. Everyone knows that Ballista will be nerfed when it is released. Same thing happened with Sandstorm (was a Quick Cast as a promo, and is a Full Cast in the release version).
Hi sIKE,
Please allow me to explain.
First up, the way I enjoy playing MW the most is IRL, face to face, with all the enjoyment and excitement that brings a game as tense as MW.
Second, no promo's. I prefer building books with officially released cards and I prefer playing against books that stick to the same rules. I find the card pool challenging and exciting enough that I don't need any "uneligible" cards on top. I figure I'll get those eventually as well, in due time, when they're released.
Third, however, I don't get to play as often as I would like, it comes in spurts :) so I have been looking at OCTGN as an alternative to get my gaming dope. I have been looking at some games but more often than not I see Ballista's and other promo's pop up right away and ... it just turns me off :(
For example, I watched the thunderdome final until the first ballista hit the board, then I stopped watching.
Fourth, I understand that it's a great way to test future cards and find potential problems but you must also keep in mind that by playing these promo's you may hinder the development of current strategies.
I refer to a reply in my "Spiked Anchor" thread where it was mentioned that Chitin Armor could be a problem and that Charmyna carried 4 Chitin Armor's in his winning Thunderdome deck.
Now what am I supposed to say to that ?
Sure, that would be a problem, but I'm not supposed to face a Chitin Armor am I, as that card isn't "eligible".
When I build my book, I don't take Chitin Armor into account simply because that card is not "released" yet.
Thus my point, yes, the use of promo's can help you test them but you also run the risk of having a negative effect on the current cardpool.
I'm sure there are still unexplored strategies to be discovered in the current cardpool.
There are still people trying to play the existing mages in different ways and see how successful they can be made. The only way to find that out is by matching them up against other "eligible" books imo, promo's should be avoided there at all cost because they may have a negative impact.
So, I understand your and the other players' reasons to play them on OCTGN, I just wish they were the exception rather than the rule.
To me it seems like you're playing another version of MW there, with your own (house)rules.
There are so many great players on OCTGN, and I love watching a good game unfold ... if only they would use eligible books ;)
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I just hate ballista. >:( I hope it will be warlord only and epic. A wizard using it in combination with the tower is unthematically and overpowered.
This is just delaying the problem which doesn't lie in ballista but in chaining of free actions. I proposed a solution to it here (http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=16020.0).
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So, I understand your and the other players' reasons to play them on OCTGN, I just wish they were the exception rather than the rule.
To me it seems like you're playing another version of MW there, with your own (house)rules.
There are so many great players on OCTGN, and I love watching a good game unfold ... if only they would use eligible books ;)
Borg, For what it's worth, promos are actually written into the Thunderdome rules as being allowed. You can always agree ahead of time with your opponent to use books that do not allow promos (I usually have 2-4 versions of the same book allowing for different card pool rule sets). Just an example I thought might help you enjoy some online play :)
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Hey just wanted to say that if anyone wants to play on OCTGN without promos feel free to PM me! It's tough for me to play depending on timezone locations, but I'm always up for Mage Wars. Maybe we should start a thing in OCTGN where if you want to play a game without promos you type in the title something like --> Mage Wars No Promos or something. I really like the options for cards that Sike has put in and simple communication can help you hone those options available. You guys are all great and I really appreciate this community
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So, I understand your and the other players' reasons to play them on OCTGN, I just wish they were the exception rather than the rule.
To me it seems like you're playing another version of MW there, with your own (house)rules.
There are so many great players on OCTGN, and I love watching a good game unfold ... if only they would use eligible books ;)
Borg, For what it's worth, promos are actually written into the Thunderdome rules as being allowed. You can always agree ahead of time with your opponent to use books that do not allow promos (I usually have 2-4 versions of the same book allowing for different card pool rule sets). Just an example I thought might help you enjoy some online play :)
This is what I do.
Chitin armor gets subbed out for Dragonscale Hauberk, which is in everyones book and I mean practically everyones book. So yeah I understand what you are getting at. Ask Schwenkgott (or any other of the players you are referring too) to play against you with a tourney legal book and I am positive that they will be more than happy to oblige.
I started playing on OCTGN for the same reason, I couldn't get enough IRL play in to sastisify the hunger, so I understand where you are coming from. 8)
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As far as I know none of the promo's are quote illegal unquote. They are not eligible to be included in sanctioned tournament spellbooks.
As far as I am converned, they might as well be. I refuse to play against anyone using promo cards in their spellbook. I'm just not interested in games that could never happen in a tournament environment; I consider it a waste of my precious time.
I _hate_ the very concept of promo cards (excepting tournament-legal cards with alternate artwork).
The only 'excuse' for their existence in Mage Wars, is imho, that they allow the game designers to gather better feedback and analyze the impact of more 'daring' designs in order to release a more balanced, official version of the card later or discard the idea.
Still, I'd astly prefer something like a public beta playtest program for anyone who's interested in this kind of thing.
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As far as I know none of the promo's are quote illegal unquote. They are not eligible to be included in sanctioned tournament spellbooks.
As far as I am converned, they might as well be. I refuse to play against anyone using promo cards in their spellbook. I'm just not interested in games that could never happen in a tournament environment; I consider it a waste of my precious time.
I _hate_ the very concept of promo cards (excepting tournament-legal cards with alternate artwork).
The only 'excuse' for their existence in Mage Wars, is imho, that they allow the game designers to gather better feedback and analyze the impact of more 'daring' designs in order to release a more balanced, official version of the card later or discard the idea.
Still, I'd astly prefer something like a public beta playtest program for anyone who's interested in this kind of thing.
^^^ This.
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Man ya'll are way took sows. It is a game after all. But I do understand about how precious time is.
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I used to be very opposed to promos, and can totally understand where people are coming from.
As I played more on OCTGN I found more and more people using them, either because they found the game first online, or they play mostly online. Promos are a distinction that matters most if you often play with cardboard, and you don't want to try to keep separate books and metagames in your head.
Ironically, this is one area where playtesters are at a significant disadvantage: we get used to having to consider lots of unreleased spells, having multiple spellbooks that can only played under specific circumstances with specific people, and confronting cards with incorrect balance.
Because we play with unprinted stuff all the time, we are the worst people to ask about how players feel about promos.
Thank you for reminding me of what I once knew well.
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youhouhou!
i will have promos!
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I used to be very opposed to promos, and can totally understand where people are coming from.
As I played more on OCTGN I found more and more people using them, either because they found the game first online, or they play mostly online. Promos are a distinction that matters most if you often play with cardboard, and you don't want to try to keep separate books and metagames in your head.
Ironically, this is one area where playtesters are at a significant disadvantage: we get used to having to consider lots of unreleased spells, having multiple spellbooks that can only played under specific circumstances with specific people, and confronting cards with incorrect balance.
Because we play with unprinted stuff all the time, we are the worst people to ask about how players feel about promos.
Thank you for reminding me of what I once knew well.
What I like to do, is take a tourney readyish book and add in a Promo like Chitin Armor to see how that changes play and if it would affect the out come in a particular matchup say like a Water Wizard or a Druid. Also the guys that only have legal cards and never play promos will be at a disadvantage (at least early on) when a promo goes legit, for example Gloves of Skill. We now know how awesome this card is for an Ranged Attack based mage. It is not game breaking but it does bend things a bit and a Flame throwing Warlock player knows very well how nice it works with his book.
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I've tried to stay away from promos when I play online and when I meet someone playing Ballistas or other promo cards I just find it more rewarding if I beat them :)
The only mage I really use promos for is the Warlord. I've a deck that has been doing well and thats mainly thanks to the new soilder creatures and the enchantments :) I try to avoid ballista in all of my decks and when I saw what sIKE said about removing the card I felt nothing but joy, and so does my druid's vine tree!
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Also the guys that only have legal cards and never play promos will be at a disadvantage (at least early on) when a promo goes legit, for example Gloves of Skill. We now know how awesome this card is for an Ranged Attack based mage. It is not game breaking but it does bend things a bit and a Flame throwing Warlock player knows very well how nice it works with his book.
I look forward to adding Gloves of Skill to my Adramelech Warlock book as well and as soon as it's released it will find a place in that book but as long as that card is not released I like to play and enjoy the current cardpool for as long as it lasts because the current cardpool is a temporary thing anyway that soon will be changed again with the release of Academy. I just like to savour each cardpool as long as possible without promo's "polluting" that environment.
If you like an analogy, :) to me Promo's are like jumping to the end of a novel to know the end without reading the story, whereas I like to read and enjoy the full story first, the end will come eventually and the experience will be all the better for it. At least imho that is. Each is entitled to his own ;)
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If you like an analogy, :) to me Promo's are like jumping to the end of a novel to know the end without reading the story, whereas I like to read and enjoy the full story first, the end will come eventually and the experience will be all the better for it. At least imho that is. Each is entitled to his own ;)
Not a bad analogy at all, mine would be to stay up late Thursday evening, to catch the midnight showing of the next Star Wars movie.
The sad thing is that many of the Promo's in question should of already been in a released set and be in a general availability state. Due to issues that hasn't happened but there is hope, there has been talk about a card only release of many of the promo's in a official release. Fingers crossed.
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I think what I am going to do is remove Ballista from OCTGN, that way this issue goes away. Sorry guys your books will need to be updated, I will give you plenty of warning before it happens. Once it is released I will of course put it back in, in its released form.
While i think the card is stupid, i still think its the wrong approach to take.
Now that you have enabled/created/imported promos in the first place i think it should be up to the players if they want to 'ban' certain or all promos in the games they play in.
On another not very related note.
If a promo ever gets released in changed edition - AKA it was balanced! - then a new situation arises.
Are promos allowed? If Yes, if a promo has later on been released in a changed / nerfed edition is the promo then allowed?
The wall of Force is a good example of this.
Promo costs 1 less, has 1 less hp, and can only regen 1 during upkeep.
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also, I noticed the acid blast was different in domination. Maybe you should remove the promo one.
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Any promo that is released, has the card stats of the released version, this is so players who have the promo in their OCTGN based spellbooks do not break. Sandstorm is an excellent example. The promo art has not been changed but the card text and stats have been changed to that (Full Attack) of the version.
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The wall of Force is a good example of this.
Promo costs 1 less, has 1 less hp, and can only regen 1 during upkeep.
Wall of force gets to reconstruct as much as you spend. It's not a regen 1.
also, I noticed the acid blast was different in domination. Maybe you should remove the promo one.
Acid Blast is not in Domination. Perhaps you mean Sandstorm? That card was changed when it was released in Domination.