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Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: Vargtass on January 28, 2015, 03:34:55 PM
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Hi
Ive tried to search around for a thread answering this but couldnt find one.
I have three questions Im pondering.
* When I change spell for an item/object with spellbind, is the new spell hidden?
* If the new spell is hidden, can I return a spell and then choose to bind the same one just to obscure what I have bound.
Thanks for any help on this
best regards
Pontus
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yes.
not 100% certain but I believe you can return the spell to your book to only place it back, (ie Wizards tower)
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Thanks!
I wasnt sure if mage wands behave the same way as wizard towers since they specify that you prepare the spell.
Ive had a couple of situations where I have an action (and some mana to spare) for this effect. :)
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Thanks!
I wasnt sure if mage wands behave the same way as wizard towers since they specify that you prepare the spell.
Ive had a couple of situations where I have an action (and some mana to spare) for this effect. :)
All spells are prepared face down in the planning phase.
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Thanks!
I wasnt sure if mage wands behave the same way as wizard towers since they specify that you prepare the spell.
Ive had a couple of situations where I have an action (and some mana to spare) for this effect. :)
All spells are prepared face down in the planning phase.
Note that the Mage Wand (and others) bind a spell that is not replaced during the planning phase. To change a spell bound to a Mage Wand, you must use a quick spell and spend three mana, as noted on the spell card.
You alternately may cast a new Mage Wand at which point the first one and the spell bound to it returns to your spell book. (This would require more mana, but could be done during deployment from a Battle Forge, for example, saving you the action and perhaps allowing you to use a different spell from your wand during the first quickcast phase.)
To answer your question, yes, changing the spell on a Mage Wand results in a hidden bound spell. However, you may not first remove the spell being changed out. You must first attach a new spell, and then the original spell goes back into your book. You may, of course, bring out the same type of spell to bind to the wand should you choose to do so, provided you have another in your book.
This is different from the way the Wizard's Tower works due to the text on those specific cards.
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Thanks!
I wasnt sure if mage wands behave the same way as wizard towers since they specify that you prepare the spell.
Ive had a couple of situations where I have an action (and some mana to spare) for this effect. :)
All spells are prepared face down like in the planning phase.
Note that the Mage Wand (and others) bind a spell that is not replaced during the planning phase. To change a spell bound to a Mage Wand, you must use a quick spell and spend three mana, as noted on the spell card.
You alternately may cast a new Mage Wand at which point the first one and the spell bound to it returns to your spell book. (This would require more mana, but could be done during deployment from a Battle Forge, for example, saving you the action and perhaps allowing you to use a different spell from your wand during the first quickcast phase.)
To answer your question, yes, changing the spell on a Mage Wand results in a hidden bound spell. However, you may not first remove the spell being changed out. You must first attach a new spell, and then the original spell goes back into your book. You may, of course, bring out the same type of spell to bind to the wand should you choose to do so, provided you have another in your book.
This is different from the way the Wizard's Tower works due to the text on those specific cards.
Yes thanks for that clarification Dave! 1 missing word changes that quite a bit :P
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To answer your question, yes, changing the spell on a Mage Wand results in a hidden bound spell. However, you may not first remove the spell being changed out. You must first attach a new spell, and then the original spell goes back into your book. You may, of course, bring out the same type of spell to bind to the wand should you choose to do so, provided you have another in your book.
Is that sure?
I can't find it.
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Thanks!
I wasnt sure if mage wands behave the same way as wizard towers since they specify that you prepare the spell.
Ive had a couple of situations where I have an action (and some mana to spare) for this effect. :)
All spells are prepared face down in the planning phase.
Note that the Mage Wand (and others) bind a spell that is not replaced during the planning phase. To change a spell bound to a Mage Wand, you must use a quick spell and spend three mana, as noted on the spell card.
You alternately may cast a new Mage Wand at which point the first one and the spell bound to it returns to your spell book. (This would require more mana, but could be done during deployment from a Battle Forge, for example, saving you the action and perhaps allowing you to use a different spell from your wand during the first quickcast phase.)
To answer your question, yes, changing the spell on a Mage Wand results in a hidden bound spell. However, you may not first remove the spell being changed out. You must first attach a new spell, and then the original spell goes back into your book. You may, of course, bring out the same type of spell to bind to the wand should you choose to do so, provided you have another in your book.
This is different from the way the Wizard's Tower works due to the text on those specific cards.
Actually wizard's tower does not have spellbind anymore. It was errata'd this year.
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This tread is ancient. ;)
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Necro thread yo
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but the question is still interessant:
when I change the spell on my spellbind, do I first choose the new one or do I first take the old one back?
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You cannot have two spells spellbinding to the same object. First you would have to remove the spell then choose a new one.
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that's exactly the oposite to the previous conclusion!
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The relevant question here is, what does "change the bound spell" mean exactly.
From Merriam Webster's online Dictionary:
Full Definition of change
changed changing
transitive verb
- a : to make different in some particular : alter <never bothered to change the will>
b : to make radically different : transform <can't change human nature>
c : to give a different position, course, or direction to
- a : to replace with another <let's change the subject>
b : to make a shift from one to another : switch <always changes sides in an argument>
c : to exchange for an equivalent sum of money (as in smaller denominations or in a foreign currency) <change a 20-dollar bill>
d : to undergo a modification of <foliage changing color> e : to put fresh clothes or covering on <change a bed>
It's clearly used as a transitive verb here so I left out the meanings for the intransitive case.
So in our context 2a is the meaning that fits best (according to the example sentence)
So "to change the bound spell" means "to replace the bound spell with another". So clearly two cards are involved here and one is replaced by another. You cannot replace a card with itself. So you may not remove the bound spell and then add it again. But you may replace the spell with another copy of the same spell. This would not violate the "never attach two copies of the same spell to the same object"-rule, because one spell replaces the other and there is no time where both are attached simultaneously regardless of the order in which you exchange them.
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could we say that you have to change te spell card, but that you can bind the same spell?
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You must first attach a new spell, and then the original spell goes back into your book. You may, of course, bring out the same type of spell to bind to the wand should you choose to do so, provided you have another in your book.
That's the right way to do it.
Also there are no two spells on the wand at any time and the wand is never without a spell on it either.
Technically, as soon as you put a new one on it, the old one drops off.
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If you want to spend 3 mana and a quickcast to have the same spell (hidden) on your wand, I don't think you are doing a great job. It's probably one of the worst things possible to do with your actions and mana.
The only time to do this is when you are obviously winning and you want to stall the game. ???
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you never know what can come to your mind after a few hours MW and a few beers...
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You must first attach a new spell, and then the original spell goes back into your book. You may, of course, bring out the same type of spell to bind to the wand should you choose to do so, provided you have another in your book.
That's the right way to do it.
Also there are no two spells on the wand at any time and the wand is never without a spell on it either.
Technically, as soon as you put a new one on it, the old one drops off.
Thinking in pictures you take the new spell and by binding it you push the old one away.
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could we say that you have to change te spell card, but that you can bind the same spell?
Yes, exactly.
The mere possibility doesn't say that it is particularly good play though.
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The rules on timing are not clearly spelled out, but the new spell does need to be different from the first. You're not really changing the bound spell if you're keeping the same bound spell. You'd be changing the orientation, but not the spell, which I think is clear is what they meant. This meaning of the word change is also corroborated on page 21 of the rules book where it specifies changing the bound spell to a different spell.
Currently the lack of clarity on timing doesn't really have any effect on game play and can be put off until it becomes relevant.
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I think we need an official rulling here to know what was meant:
can another card of the same spell be bound when "changing the spell"?
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I think we need an official rulling here to know what was meant:
can another card of the same spell be bound when "changing the spell"?
You mean like changing one fireball for other fireball? Right now, i didnt se a reason to do that except situation when i will be trying to play mind tricks with my enemy.
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There're two questions here.
1. Can you remove a Fireball card from a Wand and replace it with a different physical card that is also a Fireball.
2. Can you remove a Fireball card from a wand and replace it with the same physical card?
I've personally always played that question one's answer is yes, and question two's answer is no.
Why would you want to do this? Maybe you're bluffing that you changed your attack. Maybe AW printed a condition marker that goes on spellbound cards and you want to get rid of it the same as if you were switching a corroded Hauberk for a fresh one.
Who knows why you'd want to do it. The question is, can you?
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Oh, another reason you might swap a spell for another copy of itself: you need to trigger a Jinx, and you want to save both your prepared spells so that you have options later. Swapping the bound spell is a Quick Spell, and will trigger the Jinx.
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I've always played how Kich has played it in that sense.
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That's exactly how I play it and what I tried to derive from the meaning of the word "change" in my earlier post. I think it's pretty clear.