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Mage Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: Toxziq on December 04, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
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Hello everyone,
As you may know, we have been researching a project this year to make miniatures, of our Mages, for Mage Wars. Our goal is to provide high quality miniatures that players can collect and/or use in place of their Mage card in the game, to represent their Mage in the Arena.
The miniatures business is filled with option, and as such, we want to go straight to the source, and ask for your feedback on what you would like to see to make this the most amazing project ever!
As such, we have created a short online survey for you to let us know your opinions and preferences when it comes to making Minis for Mage Wars.
Survey Link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZYR2XHP
In addition, we will close the survey on December 12th and select two random responders to receive a copy of Forged in Fire!
Thank you in advance for taking the time to let us know your thoughts! We have an amazing community and we look forward to hearing your ideas!
Scott
VP Business Development
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Will they be prepainted? Will players paint their own? Or both?
Similarly, are there any plans for at least partially fan-made mage art cards? Like say, if Arcane Wonders created generic uncolored mage art templates for each mage class on cards, and then fans buy the cards, color them in and personalize the drawings as they like?
That way fans can be creative and make their mage truly unique, but without the risk of someone playing a mage with really crappy artwork in an event setting.
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you obviously didn't take the survey.....
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Now I did, sorry. :-[
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This has got me thinking that I could go through some of my old minis for other games and make some for creatures too.
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They better be painted. I won't buy them if they are not. I don't want to paint and I dislike to play with unpainted stuff.
Also single packaged is the best because it allow to buy the mages I need instead to have the dilema of: "Do I want to pay for 2/4 mages minis when I will only use 1?"
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Selling them individually will make them more expensive, do to the packaging and shipping costs.
I think the correct thing to do would be as the main option, a Core set of Figures, and then in packages of 2 for each of the expansions.
and definitely painted as the character on the card.
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Selling them individually will make them more expensive, do to the packaging and shipping costs.
I think the correct thing to do would be as the main option, a Core set of Figures, and then in packages of 2 for each of the expansions.
and definitely painted as the character on the card.
I would love to see Earth/Water/Fire Wizards too......
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I suggested a Beastmasters pack, a Warlocks pack, etc.
Also, there was some talk at one point about dialdown life counters. Might be cool if the mini fit in the center of the disk, or something.
Also, I can't stand painting things that small, and 30mm is much cheeper than 40mm, in my experience.
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30MM = 1 3/16 vs 40mm = 1 9/16
I would prefer the bigger Miniatures.
And as for the spin-down, life counters, Reaper made some of those many years ago. Some of them are worth quite a bit of money now.
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It's a question of volume, not just height. A larger base means a taller, wider, and deeper mini, so materials costs go up at the cubic power of base size. Not only that, but depending on the material and casting method, thicker areas can require different handling than thinner areas, to prevent cracking.
On the other hand, 30mm minis have to have smaller fidly bits to look detailed, and small fidly bits can be very hard to cast.
I want a "do whatever's cheapest" option for size.
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i've voted for bigger size, because it will just look better. i think not everybody will buy it but rather people who really are deep into Mage Wars and/or don't have problems to spend money for sth. unnecessary. That's why i think "the bigger are better" :) I've also think that they can be unpainted so it will allow more customization, but if they will be painted it is also cool.
If we are talking about packing them , i'm standing for same packages as sets (4+2+2) or each mage separate, so everybody can choose exactly which mage he wants and how many :P (but it seems to be more expensive to buy).
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I really have no interest in painting them.
if they come unpainted that would be more reason for me to not buy them. or I would have to find someone who is really good at painting miniatures and pay them a buttload of money to paint them.
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I mentioned I wasn't sure I'd buy this. Having played minis before, between expense, storage space and the rest of the board being cards, I am content without them.
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Yeah - I will probably give this a pass, for the sake of simplicity/portability. Granted, I don't even use the board or the action/quickcast markers, so my take on this product is likely in the minority.
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I would never buy them if they are not painted, either. One point of note--and this is an honest question, my total skills and experience with painting minis would rattle in a thimble ; )--couldn't painters just whitecoat a painted mini, then paint over that if they *really* wanted a custom job?
Point being: unpainted minis are a deal-breaker for people like me, while I suspect painted minis wouldn't be a deal-breaker for those that would prefer to be able to paint their own.
Edit: Adding the key word "not" in my first sentence...; )
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+1 to this fantastic idea. But I want white metal miniatures... oldskool!
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I am a mini painter, and as such I would love to paint some mages. However, this isn't a miniatures game and prepainted minis would probably sell better overall and I would them painted or unpainted.
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I also don't like painting minis, but I do know that the price of prepainted minis has gotten really high.
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Not to mention, it would be nice to be able to customize the artwork of your mage/spellbook at least to some extent.
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So, how many people have completed the survey now then?
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I Kickstartered Yashima, just for Wizard mini :) in my case, only thing that matters is size and i am for bigger option here.
When comes to question, painted or not painted, there is a great greay area.
a) what quality will be a painting of minis
b) how much it will increase its cost
c) how many players already prepared their "green stuff" just to get more clothes for priestess or dress their dwar warlord into gold armor :)
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I Kickstartered Yashima, just for Wizard mini :) in my case, only thing that matters is size and i am for bigger option here.
When comes to question, painted or not painted, there is a great greay area.
a) what quality will be a painting of minis
b) how much it will increase its cost
c) how many players already prepared their "green stuff" just to get more clothes for priestess or dress their dwar warlord into gold armor :)
I think this is a great reason for crowd funding. The base could be unpainted and then pay more for painted.
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I Kickstartered Yashima, just for Wizard mini :) in my case, only thing that matters is size and i am for bigger option here.
When comes to question, painted or not painted, there is a great greay area.
a) what quality will be a painting of minis
b) how much it will increase its cost
c) how many players already prepared their "green stuff" just to get more clothes for priestess or dress their dwar warlord into gold armor :)
I think this is a great reason for crowd funding. The base could be unpainted and then pay more for painted.
Why would a company make both painted and unpainted miniatures.
If they are unpainted many people will either not buy them, or have to pay people to paint the mini's for them. I will end up mailing my figures to someone to have them paint them to look identical to the cards.
If they come painted, you can easily repaint them to your liking.
Selling both painted figures and unpainted figures sounds like a giant waste of money for a company.
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I am not familiar with "creating" process of minis but didnt they first create tham (f.e. 200 000) and then divide it to non-painted (150 000) and "going to be painted" group (50 000)?
Also, i am a big fan of creativity and seeing a black priestess on the board seems cool :)
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I really like the idea of buying a pack of miniatures for a mage, such as a beast master pack that comes with the mage figure and other figures to represent the creature commonly used by the beast master. Although I would like to see the dial down life counters, the one thing I would really like to see on the other creatures is a slot to put a number, if you are familiar with the X-Wing Miniatures game all the bases as slots to put numbers so you can distinguish between ships. You could place the miniature on the board and the card for that miniature off the board and track damage/effects on the card. The greatest thing about having miniatures is how much it would increase the aesthetics of the game. I really think it would be a lot easier to get people into the game if they saw figures on the board instead of a jumble of cards, markers, and tokens.
P.S. Wall figures would be really helpful too
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I see that the survey is closed now. Personally, I'd never get anything that resembles a mini for this game. I also would hate to have to use them or have an opponent who would want to use theirs. I am hooked on the way things are, and don't want to be distracted by changes. I would hope these never are approved for use in tournaments. It was bad enough that I had an opponent who did not want to use a board to track their channeling / mana / life, but use a pad of paper instead....
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Before the magnetic status boards paper was a pretty good way to do it.
If the table got bumped all the little cubes got shifted and next thing you know we're both at 60 life and 34 mana on turn 3.
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Honestly though, I think the minis are really really cool, but I probably wouldn't get them myself. In the context of the game, they do take up less space in the arena than a mage card, but aside from that they're a bit of a gimmick. I suppose it could be a bit distracting if your opponent has a very fancy mage mini. Another likely problem with using it in tournaments is that it stands out so much that it aesthetically clashes with all the other spells and objects in the game, since they are all cards. It might also make things more confusing to new players, who see the mini standing out so much and understandably assume that it's special.
Maybe the minis wouldn't be so much of a gimmick if they created a non-zone based mage wars game.
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Honestly though, I think the minis are really really cool, but I probably wouldn't get them myself. In the context of the game, they do take up less space in the arena than a mage card, but aside from that they're a bit of a gimmick. I suppose it could be a bit distracting if your opponent has a very fancy mage mini. Another likely problem with using it in tournaments is that it stands out so much that it aesthetically clashes with all the other spells and objects in the game, since they are all cards. It might also make things more confusing to new players, who see the mini standing out so much and understandably assume that it's special.
Maybe the minis wouldn't be so much of a gimmick if they created a non-zone based mage wars game.
Of course the mage is special, if he dies, you lose.
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Honestly though, I think the minis are really really cool, but I probably wouldn't get them myself. In the context of the game, they do take up less space in the arena than a mage card, but aside from that they're a bit of a gimmick. I suppose it could be a bit distracting if your opponent has a very fancy mage mini. Another likely problem with using it in tournaments is that it stands out so much that it aesthetically clashes with all the other spells and objects in the game, since they are all cards. It might also make things more confusing to new players, who see the mini standing out so much and understandably assume that it's special.
Maybe the minis wouldn't be so much of a gimmick if they created a non-zone based mage wars game.
Of course the mage is special, if he dies, you lose.
I meant more special than the cards. I know mages are special.
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Mini's for mages also might make (for example) a new player playing someone who has one feel more intimidated, and could possibly lead to a less enjoyable experience than otherwise would have been had. (Or maybe the mini would be a cool thing to see, and encourage the new player to get one...?)
Overall though, I think that providing the minis in a boxed set would be better than selling them separately. Everyone would have them, and there would be no social stigma for not having one. The downside of that... it'd never happen. The price of the boxed set goes up, and no (or very little) extra revenue comes in from the sale of extra minis.
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I missed the survey but I love the idea of having miniatures for the mages (and perhaps some of the creatures).
I've been looking for substitute miniatures anyway, so having official ones sounds awesome.
Of course my strong preference would be pre-painted.
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So who won the prizes from the survey?
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They were posted on the facebook page.