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Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: Wildhorn on August 24, 2014, 02:26:38 PM
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What happens if someone cast an enchantment on a target that once enchantment is revealed is not legal for the spell?
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What happens if someone cast an enchantment on a target that once enchantment is revealed is not legal for the spell?
Immediately destroyed if I remember correctly.
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Yep.
When you reveal an enchantment, check to be sure the target listed on the enchantment matches the object it is attached to. If it does not, destroy the enchantment without effect. In some cases, the object may have changed and is no longer a valid target.
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Then, this means druid and warlord have an infinite "Decoy" via Barkskin/Standard Bearer?
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Nope. Doing it wrong intentionally would be cheating. Normal targeting rules apply to casting a face down enchantment.
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Well how to prevent someone from cheating?
If the Enchantment would be obliterated, no one would dare "bluffing"
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Well how to prevent someone from cheating?
If the Enchantment would be obliterated, no one would dare "bluffing"
Not obliterated. Removed from the game. If there's ever an effect that activates when an enchantment is obliterated, then that could actually incentivize the cheater.
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You prevent someone from cheating by refusing to play them again or DQing them from the tournament.
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You prevent someone from cheating by refusing to play them again or DQing them from the tournament.
Well yes, but sometimes people cheat unintentionally in this game. I think as long as the cheating is penalized so that it sufficiently disadvantages the cheater to cancel out the effects of their cheating, then it's fine. If you cannot sufficiently penalize the cheater to cancel out the effects of the cheating, or if there's strong evidence that they're doing it on purpose (like if they're a repeat offender) then they should be disqualified. That's why I think they usually should remove the enchantment from the game without effect.
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The rules clearly state you discard the enchantment without effect.
if they did it by accident it's a mistake and the rules remedy it.
if they are doing it on purpose then they are cheating and should be dealt with accordingly.
Cheating is actively breaking rules for an advantage, you really can't accidentally cheat.
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The rules clearly state you discard the enchantment without effect.
if they did it by accident it's a mistake and the rules remedy it.
if they are doing it on purpose then they are cheating and should be dealt with accordingly.
Cheating is actively breaking rules for an advantage, you really can't accidentally cheat.
Perhaps I used the wrong word. Thought it just meant breaking rules, intentional or no. I'll have to look up in dictionary.
I still think it should be removed from game rather than just discarded. Otherwise some jerk might attempt an infinite decoy thing.
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Cheating implies intent. Breaking a rule on accident is simply a mistake. I agree with Kich on how to handle it. In a private game, politely remind them that their action was not legal and will not be tolerated in the future. In a tournament, report the action to the judge which should result in a warning for the first offense and elimination from the tournament for multiple offenses.
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Barkskin can only target the Druid. Standard Bearer can only target a friendly soldier creature. To intentionally place that enchantment on anything else is blatant and obvious cheating. The moment the opponent tries to put the enchantment back in their book because it is a cantrip you will see what they tried to do. Immediately you should stop playing with this person and if it is a tournament get them Disqualified.
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You prevent someone from cheating by refusing to play them again or DQing them from the tournament.
Correct
1st I warn the player. It may have been a simple mistake
2nd is match lose. If it is the same type of illegal action this is now intent
3rd DQ
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Barkskin can only target the Druid. Standard Bearer can only target a friendly soldier creature. To intentionally place that enchantment on anything else is blatant and obvious cheating. The moment the opponent tries to put the enchantment back in their book because it is a cantrip you will see what they tried to do. Immediately you should stop playing with this person and if it is a tournament get them Disqualified.
This is very different because you can see a clear intent to cheat.