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Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: echephron on August 06, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
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It says "whenever a spell cast by this mage...provides healing..."
So when you cast an [mwcard=MW1C02] Asyran Cleric[/mwcard] or [mwcard=FWJ08] Renewing Spring[/mwcard], do the heal actions those provide count? Your mage isn't the source of the healing in both of those cases.
I'm guessing they do not count, or else that extra sentence about "an enchantment controlled by this mage" wouldn't exist and the wording would be more like "whenever a spell or ability you control provides healing..."
promo here: http://www.arcanewonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ring-of-Healing.png
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I am on your side there, the wording looks pretty clear to me (and even refers to group healing)
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(http://www.arcanewonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ring-of-Healing.png)
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It says "whenever a spell cast by this mage...provides healing..."
So when you cast an [mwcard=MW1C02] Asyran Cleric[/mwcard] or [mwcard=FWJ08] Renewing Spring[/mwcard], do the heal actions those provide count? Your mage isn't the source of the healing in both of those cases.
I'm guessing they do not count, or else that extra sentence about "an enchantment controlled by this mage" wouldn't exist and the wording would be more like "whenever a spell or ability you control provides healing..."
promo here: http://www.arcanewonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ring-of-Healing.png
None of these spell provide healing. One of the spell summon a creature while the other spell create a conjuration. Know the difference.
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It says "whenever a spell cast by this mage...provides healing..."
So when you cast an [mwcard=MW1C02] Asyran Cleric[/mwcard] or [mwcard=FWJ08] Renewing Spring[/mwcard], do the heal actions those provide count? Your mage isn't the source of the healing in both of those cases.
I'm guessing they do not count, or else that extra sentence about "an enchantment controlled by this mage" wouldn't exist and the wording would be more like "whenever a spell or ability you control provides healing..."
promo here: http://www.arcanewonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ring-of-Healing.png (http://www.arcanewonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Ring-of-Healing.png)
None of these spell provide healing. One of the spell summon a creature while the other spell create a conjuration. Know the difference.
Wild is correct the spell or enchantment must directly heal.
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The question is:
Does it work with death link and vampirism - if so i will make a vampire necro with this card.
And he will easily heal 8+ per round.
If it works with deathlink then i assume the damage the creature takes will be up to 3 instead of up to 2.
Drain life will also be improved.
How about Gray Angel?
That is a spell cast by 'this mage' and when it gets sacrificed will it heal for 1 additional point?
Imo yes. But if a another Gray angel is cast by the temple of Asyra, then no additional healing from ring.
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The Grey Angel healing is not a spell. It is a special action performed by the angel.
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The Grey Angel healing is not a spell. It is a special action performed by the angel.
and?
The ring doesnt say 'heal spell' rather 'whenever a spell casts by this mage or enchantment controlled'
Read again. The angel healing is NOT A SPELL. It is a special action. And it is performed by the angel not the mage.
Also for the other spells:
- Death Link would indeed heal 1 more and by same way deal 1 more damage.
- Vampirism would not add healing because what the spell does is grant the attack the Vampirism trait. It doesnt provide healing. It is the attack that does the healing, not the spell.
- Drain Life would add 1 healing.
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but the Gray Angel is a spell. And said spell gives healing to an object - though at a later time (assuming it gets sacrificed) - so strictly following the wording on this ring and it should work.
The key to understanding this card (unless i missed somehting) is not in the wording, but in the intention.
Try to see 'Whenever' from my perspective and you will see it actually makes sense what im saying.
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Vampirism makes sense. No additional healing here.
Also is just 1 point per round so perhaps the strongest combo is with deathlink.
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but the Gray Angel is a spell. And said spell gives healing to an object - though at a later time (assuming it gets sacrificed) - so strictly following the wording on this ring and it should work.
The key to understanding this card (unless i missed somehting) is not in the wording, but in the intention.
Try to see 'Whenever' from my perspective and you will see it actually makes sense what im saying.
It is because you see Grey Angel as a spell but it is not. The spell Grey Angel summon a Grey Angel in the arena, then you use the spellcard as a representation of the object Grey Angel. It is no more a spell, it is a creature object.
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but the Gray Angel is a spell. And said spell gives healing to an object - though at a later time (assuming it gets sacrificed) - so strictly following the wording on this ring and it should work.
The key to understanding this card (unless i missed somehting) is not in the wording, but in the intention.
Try to see 'Whenever' from my perspective and you will see it actually makes sense what im saying.
It is because you see Grey Angel as a spell but it is not. The spell Grey Angel summon a Grey Angel in the arena, then you use the spellcard as a representation of the object Grey Angel. It is no more a spell, it is a creature object.
Aha! now i got it. thanks
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Just my two cents of an opinion:
1. The ring is increasing the healing granted by other spells and enchantments. It is not providing an additional heal itself. Therefore, it most definitely can be used to increase the healing from Death Link if you so choose, but that will also result in increased damage because Death Link says that any healing done has to cause damage as a result. Death Link is still the thing doing the healing, and so all of the rules for it's healing effect must still be obeyed.
2. The ring can also be used to increase Drain Life. However, in this case the healing is occurring separate from the damage and will not increase the damage as a result.
3. The healing must be granted by a spell being cast by the Mage or an Enchantment object in play controlled by the Mage. Other objects (creatures, conjurations, and equipment) can not have their healing effects increased in this manner.
4. Some equipment, however, allows for the Mage to use it to cast spells (Mage Wand, Wand of Healing, etc) and such spells would still be eligible for increase. In such instances, it is still the Mage that is casting a spell and not the object. If we ever have an Autonomous equipment that heals, or an equipment that passively heals, they would not receive the increase.
5. The ring would only increase healing from the Vampiric trait if it was part of an Attack Spell, which currently does not exist. Spells which provide the Vampiric trait, such as Vampirism and Vampiric Strike, are not actually healing the object. Instead, they are granting the object a way in which it may heal itself.
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but the Gray Angel is a spell. And said spell gives healing to an object - though at a later time (assuming it gets sacrificed) - so strictly following the wording on this ring and it should work.
The key to understanding this card (unless i missed somehting) is not in the wording, but in the intention.
Try to see 'Whenever' from my perspective and you will see it actually makes sense what im saying.
It is because you see Grey Angel as a spell but it is not. The spell Grey Angel summon a Grey Angel in the arena, then you use the spellcard as a representation of the object Grey Angel. It is no more a spell, it is a creature object.
Correct.
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Just my two cents of an opinion:
1. The ring is increasing the healing granted by other spells and enchantments. It is not providing an additional heal itself. Therefore, it most definitely can be used to increase the healing from Death Link if you so choose, but that will also result in increased damage because Death Link says that any healing done has to cause damage as a result. Death Link is still the thing doing the healing, and so all of the rules for it's healing effect must still be obeyed.
2. The ring can also be used to increase Drain Life. However, in this case the healing is occurring separate from the damage and will not increase the damage as a result.
3. The healing must be granted by a spell being cast by the Mage or an Enchantment object in play controlled by the Mage. Other objects (creatures, conjurations, and equipment) can not have their healing effects increased in this manner.
4. Some equipment, however, allows for the Mage to use it to cast spells (Mage Wand, Wand of Healing, etc) and such spells would still be eligible for increase. In such instances, it is still the Mage that is casting a spell and not the object. If we ever have an Autonomous equipment that heals, or an equipment that passively heals, they would not receive the increase.
5. The ring would only increase healing from the Vampiric trait if it was part of an Attack Spell, which currently does not exist. Spells which provide the Vampiric trait, such as Vampirism and Vampiric Strike, are not actually healing the object. Instead, they are granting the object a way in which it may heal itself.
1: Correct
2: Correct
3: Correct
4: Correct
5: Correct
And yes you got another sticker.