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Mage Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lord0fWinter on April 28, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
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Thematically I like the idea of him guarding Gate to Hell. More often he'll probably end up guarding Idol of Pestilence, Deathlock, or Altar of Skulls. Possibly Ziggurat of Undeath. You are right though that this is odd in what are typically Aggro books, but diversity is the spice of life.
It's a shame he's Legendary. Could you imagine making him a Bloodreaper? With Bloodthirsty +2 he'd be at a 5 die attack with Piercing +1 and Triplestrike that also heals the Warlock. That would be kinda broken I guess...but still kinda neat to think about. Plus Legendary is thematic.
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Anyway to delete comments on your blog? My computer kinda timed out and seems to have triple posted there, lol.
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That....that's a REALLY big dog! I love mythology and seeing a famous icon show up is so awesome. I can't wait to run him!
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Anyway to delete comments on your blog? My computer kinda timed out and seems to have triple posted there, lol.
It's all good. I'll do it when I wake up tomorrow. Too tired right now. You bring up good points though. Hopefully the Warlock still has a conjugation or two yet to come.
He would be a sick blood reaper lmao. A bit overpowered but awesome to think about.
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That....that's a REALLY big dog! I love mythology and seeing a famous icon show up is so awesome. I can't wait to run him!
I agree, it's awesome that they're incorporating some mythology into this. Greek mythology will always have a special place in my heart. I wonder if (and hope) that they'll incorporate more of it in the future.
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As I told Zuberi, I'd like some Norse Mythology so the War School could get some Valkyries(I mean just look at how under represented War is in the next expansion...) But I'd also like some Japanese Tengu. I read that there is an Egyptian themed area of Etheria, be awesome to get some of Sobeks crocodiles.
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With the addition of Conquest spell, every mage need a good conjuration guardian. This one is perfect for that role.
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I'm pretty disappointed that none of the new demons have a Fire attack. Seems like at least one would with the new Warlock's ability...
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I'm pretty disappointed that none of the new demons have a Fire attack. Seems like at least one would with the new Warlock's ability...
Well, the new demon familiar has one.
And the already existing level 1, 3 and 6 demons have one. The new warlock has one too. You don't really need more demon with fire attack. You need some normal attack too to get throu Flame Immune stuff.
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I agree! Something like Skeletal Sentry Solder subclass creature ;D June is still too far and there is still definetly one demon in reserves to be introduced. :)
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Im not sure what to think of this creature.
Its horrible for offense, while insanly good at defending conjurations.
However...Last time i checked the Warlock didnt have time to stall games and be on the defense side.
Interesting its canine... perhaps if dark gets a lvl 1 or 2 canine it will be viable to play Dark canine deck with this bad boy, Goran and Red claw.
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Dark has a level 2 canine. Deathfang.
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With the addition of the new demons, I think a "stalling" swarmy Warlock would be now a viable build.
With FiF, I noticed that AW are trying to make swarm builds alot more viable.
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i believe its too expensive, but a great card.....now i would like to see one plant creature pleaseeee
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If Warlock would get some kind of Conjuration idol that grant Vampirism to every friendly living (demon, dark, all?) creatures, this could make a very good conjuration to defend with Cerberus. To balance it, maybe make it to do 1 or 2 direct damage to all affected creature too. You know, warlock stuff give bonus, but their gift require a payment ;)
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This creature is not limited to Warlock, I could see a Druid using it to guard her tree.
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Sadly, he only gets awesome bonuses when guarding Dark conjurations.
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Sadly, he only gets awesome bonuses when guarding Dark conjurations.
Oh yeah... Sad... Or not :)
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I wrote on the blog but will reiterate here. He is too expensive and passive for what he does. I don't see a warlock using him unless he plops down a deathlock all the way forward on the front lines for some reason. It's too bad since I really like the art on this card.
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I wrote on the blog but will reiterate here. He is too expensive and passive for what he does. I don't see a warlock using him unless he plops down a deathlock all the way forward on the front lines for some reason. It's too bad since I really like the art on this card.
I don't think he is too expensive. He is the equivalent of a Steelclaw Grizzly but more defensive than agressive. But he is guarding a Dark Conjuration, he suddently become slightly more "agressive" than a Grizzly.
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But when are you really gonna need to guard a Dark conjuration? As mentioned already, probably only with the Altar of Skulls, Idol of Pestilence, or Deathlock.
Him sitting back guarding those takes away from the tempo most Warlocks and Necros try to have. They're usually all about aggressive builds and Cerberus doesn't help that.
For 17 mana I'd rather get out a Dark Pact Slayer or Blood Demon or something, that way I can save some mana as well.
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Well, with the new cheap mana lvl 2 demon, I could see Pentagram being used and it will need tonbe guarded at some point. Also, have in mind that this expansion comes with Conquest. Also, Altar of Sacrifice could be useful to allow him to get its special ability trigger on the frontline.
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I'm not likely to use him with my Warlock unless I find him useful for the new one. My Necromancer however could use a good solid guard and instead of running away all the time I could just park him in Cerberus square.
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I sort of agree that he seems too expensive for what he does. 17 mana to protect a conjuration is okayish, but then... he's pretty intimidating when on guard. So what's to stop the other mage from just working round him? If you can take the pain from whatever Cerberus is guarding and use your 17 mana advantage to kill his master, cool. If you can't ignore the conjuration, why not kill it with attack spells and avoid the Cerberus issue that way? If you can do that you've not just taken out the big threat conjuration but also significantly weakened a level 4 creature, potentially gaining tempo from what might otherwise be a purely reactive move.
As a Warlock, if I really want a conjuration safe I might want it on the far side of the arena from the other mage, where he has to overextend himself to hurt it (or, better, can't reach it at all). At that point, Cerberus is a pretty tough creature to justify.
I think that if I cast Cerberus I'd want to be practically guaranteed that he'd get to use that glorious triple counterstrike of his, and where he'd be using it on a target that mattered. I'd want a plan where I'd have him going on guard in the same space as me, and preferably the enemy mage too. And if possible I'd want a backup conjuration in the space with me, so that a quickcast attack spell didn't leave him all deflated in the face of an oncoming Golem. Trouble is, that'd require some sort of new Dark conjuration I haven't seen yet, sort of like a Dark Tanglevine or something equally interesting. Or a Wall of Bone, if that worked (and I suspect it doesn't?).
Here's waiting on the rest of the spoilers then.
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I like the idea of this creature, but I agree with people saying he is too expensive. I hardly ever get around to casting any level 4 creatures no matter what mage I am playing, especially if that mage only has a channeling of 9.
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As long as he is Guarding in a zone with a Dark Conjuration he gets the Triplestrike trait. What happens if the Warlock is in the same zone and the FM wants to take a swipe at the Warlock? And he has [mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ06]Eagleclaw Boots[/mwcard] on and you have run out of [mwcard=MW1I28]Teleport[/mwcard] and [mwcard=MW1I07]Dissolve[/mwcard] spells (no Wand either).
True he is a very defensive play, but if your Dark Mage needs to get out of some trouble.....
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To quote the Conquer preview, "Terrain is a new kind of conjuration we’re working on, even though Terrain did not make it into Forged in Fire, it will be out soon."
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So Cerberus may be a slow burner then...
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To quote the Conquer preview, "Terrain is a new kind of conjuration we’re working on, even though Terrain did not make it into Forged in Fire, it will be out soon."
Omg, yes. Since the card doesnt say Non-Terrain Conjuration, we must assume that his ability will trigger if he guard a zone with a Dark Terrain Conjuration! He gonna be amazing!
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That depends, of course, on the final printed rules for terrain. :)
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To quote the Conquer preview, "Terrain is a new kind of conjuration we’re working on, even though Terrain did not make it into Forged in Fire, it will be out soon."
Omg, yes. Since the card doesnt say Non-Terrain Conjuration, we must assume that his ability will trigger if he guard a zone with a Dark Terrain Conjuration! He gonna be amazing!
This would be awesome. And highly thematic. Guess we'll have to wait and see!
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It's basically impossible to judge this card outside of the context of the expansion it's going to be released in, and even then it might be difficult depending on further expansions.
Soo, for right now, I feel like the only judgement you can really pass on it is that it looks cool.
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I think with the new game mode (domination) that cerberus would be awesome
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Buuuut, will be those orbs a dark conjuration? My guess is not :)
If cerberus will be a cool creature together with "terrain-conjurations", why putting him into FiF where will be no terrain conjurations?
Sleep, knockdown, teleport, tangelvine or stuck and he is a expensive 3 dice puppy again. If i want to protect something, i rather put a wall around it :)
I agree, that if we dont know the full range of new dark cards, we cant judge his efficiency on battlefield buuuuut defensive creature in Warlocks spellbook will be something rare in my area :)
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Maybe we will see a incantation with Thorg's ability in the future... :o
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Maybe we will see a incantation with Thorg's ability in the future... :o
Sure... But sleep is already invented. So is teleport. The problem with this card is that it costs 17 mana and its 17 badly invested mana unless you invest further into a dark conjuration.
Thats alot of mana for the opponent to spend on sleep, teleport, tanglevine and push (push work vs another target you want to focus down.)
Its pretty obvious to everyone... Fighting this dog on its own terms is a guaranteed loss - so it has to be worked around somehow.
If it had some decent FA such as 3 dice pierce +1 double strike then it could be decent at attacking and good at defending when needed.
In its current state: When this dog starts attacking the game is already won.
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One thing makes me wonder, why only dark conjuration... there must be a time during designing process, when something must get realy OP and so they have to nerf this defender class creature. So, is there some kind of offensive dark conjuration which will benefit from this combo?
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One thing makes me wonder, why only dark conjuration... there must be a time during designing process, when something must get realy OP and so they have to nerf this defender class creature. So, is there some kind of offensive dark conjuration which will benefit from this combo?
As far as I know its just a theme/flavor choice rather than a response to any particular combo.
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I think it is to limit its use without adding Dark Mage Only.
A druid or soon warlord would have kinda auto included him if he would get it from non-dark conjuration.
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Traditionally they have been the Guards of the Gates of Hell....
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I am fully aware of its mythological status.... but i still canot get a "cerberus guarding warlords tank" combo from my head. :)
I am not a warlock person but FiF somehow forced me to start building a spellbook. I will definetly give him a chance to prove me wrong about how i see him now.
Most theories didnt survive their first contact with reality. :)
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Boocheck did you have to bring up the horrible pain of seeing a tank, then being told we're getting no tank? The wounds were just starting to heal.
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How would Cerberus work with wall of bones? Its a dark conjuration, but walls aren't in zones. I take it they wouldn't synergise?
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How would Cerberus work with wall of bones? Its a dark conjuration, but walls aren't in zones. I take it they wouldn't synergise?
Since it's not in the zone, it wouldn't boost Cerberus.
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How would Cerberus work with wall of bones? Its a dark conjuration, but walls aren't in zones. I take it they wouldn't synergise?
Since it's not in the zone, it wouldn't boost Cerberus.
Aylin is correct. Walls are not in zones, so it wouldn't work.