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Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: malgor on November 23, 2013, 11:37:09 PM

Title: snatch and guard
Post by: malgor on November 23, 2013, 11:37:09 PM
If a creature with the guard token is snatched into Thornlasher's zone, does it get to make a counterstrike attack?  i assume the answer is yes because the "damage and effects" step triggers the snatch.  Thus, when the "counterstrike" step happens, the thornlasher is a legal target for a melee counterstrike.

Am i reading this correctly?

mg
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: baronzaltor on November 24, 2013, 12:04:16 AM
Counterstrikes can only be trigger by Melee attacks.

Since the Thornlashers "snatch" attack is a 0-1 Ranged attack, it never triggers a Counterstrike even if used at range 0.
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: Zuberi on November 24, 2013, 12:05:13 AM
You do end up in the same zone as the Thornlasher, and thematically I could see you then making a counterstrike against it as the idea is that it has grabbed ahold of you, but mechanically you can not. Counterstrike only works against melee attacks. The Thornlasher's attack is a ranged attack and therefore never triggers a Counterstrike.

The rules for Counterstrike begin on page 27 of the Rulebook v2.0
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: sdougla2 on November 24, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
Counterstrikes are against melee attacks. Thornlasher makes a ranged attack. Therefor no, you would not get to counterstrike.
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: aquestrion on November 24, 2013, 12:23:56 AM
Thorn lasher makes a ranged attack so no you can't use counterstrike or a damage barrier
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: Moonglow on November 24, 2013, 05:38:12 AM
Sorry aquestrion you lose. At least the other four were 5min apart but you gave the same reply 20min later... What were you thinking?
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: aquestrion on November 24, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
I thought by adding in the damage barrier part I could get first place
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: Zuberi on November 24, 2013, 06:26:54 PM
The damage barrier is an important point that the rest of us left out.
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: sIKE on November 24, 2013, 06:35:07 PM
A creature with the Intercept while on guard, could use its Defensive roll to avoid the Ranged Attack though.
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: aquestrion on November 25, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Could an interceptor "intercept" a thornlashers attack and if failed a dodge roll would the interceptor get pulled or the original target
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: Zuberi on November 25, 2013, 12:39:54 AM
Intercept allows you to redirect the Thornlasher's attack to the guarding creature with Intercept. If you do this, then the guarding creature with Intercept becomes the target of the Thornlasher's attack, and is the one to take damage and be snatched by that attack.

Intercept does not allow you to avoid the Thornlasher's attack. You have to have a Defense that applies to ranged attacks in order to avoid it.
Title: Re: snatch and guard
Post by: Moonglow on November 25, 2013, 02:34:08 AM
I thought by adding in the damage barrier part I could get first place

Fair enough, first place award goes to Aquestrion ;)