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Mage Wars => Events => Topic started by: Laddinfance on June 22, 2015, 10:04:32 AM
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Come play in the GENCON 2015 tournament! It all starts Friday, with the final four playing it out on Saturday!
Head over to https://www.gencon.com/events/78120 for all the information. Feel free to ask any questions you have here. We look forward to seeing you all there to Enter the Arena!
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I'm looking forward to this so much. Oh and I'm Head Judge what do you know. This is going to be awesome!
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I'm looking forward to this so much. Oh and I'm Head Judge what do you know. This is going to be awesome!
Grizzly! That's awesome! I look forward to seeing your rules mastery in action! Between the tournament and the get-together I'm sure we'll get to hang out a bit :D
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Oh yeah Intangible this is gonna be great. Actually 3 out of 4 judges are from Charlotte so I guess we'll see if I can back up all my hype about my community huh?
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I'm interested in playing, but I don't really know what kind of time i'm going to have since this is the first year witht he Mage Wars 2029 Wold champion being with us.
Plus I gues one of us has to Represent Arcane Duels in the tournament since the rest of the guys will be recording, interviewing and comentary of the tournament.
Is Harry Poppins coming to GenCon?
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Really Friday is going to be a bit of a grinder but if you can make it to being invited for Saturday it's a lot lighter schedule.
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Wait... If you're head judge, then that means Shadow isn't.
So does that mean we'll see this legendary figure in the tournament this year?!
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I'm interested in playing, but I don't really know what kind of time i'm going to have since this is the first year witht he Mage Wars 2029 Wold champion being with us.
Plus I gues one of us has to Represent Arcane Duels in the tournament since the rest of the guys will be recording, interviewing and comentary of the tournament.
Is Harry Poppins coming to GenCon?
Harry Poppins? Who's that? Is that the name of an actual mage wars player or is it a pun?
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Harry Poppins? Who's that? Is that the name of an actual mage wars player or is it a pun?
He's one of the players that's been on a few Arcane Duels videos. He's a less involved member of the team but that may be changing in the future.
His name is a joke between Harry Potter and Mary Poppins, it's pretty creative.
Is Harry Poppins coming to GenCon?
Nah, he can't make it this year, so it looks like you'll probably be the only one to throw some dice! 8)
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Also I'm VERY pleased to announce the Silverclaw Grizzly open challenge for a fantastic prize! If you can accomplish the following feats you will be given knowledge and wisdom sought by many! The tasks are:
1. Win the Gen Con Mage Wars Arena Championship Tournament!
2. Defeat Laddinface twice! Once has to be done without taking damage!
3. Beat JasonBourneZombie and myself in a 2-1 handicap match!
4. Defeat an opponent who can summon from spell books representing each mage every turn!
5. Go get me a sandwich!
If you can complete all these tasks the ultimate knowledge will be yours! What is this knowledge you ask?
WE WILL FINALLY TELL YOU WHAT FROST DOES!!!!
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Lets just get a sound off here. If you're going to be at Gen Con lets hear it.
I, Silverclawgrizzly, will be at Gen Con this year.
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I will be at GenCon and likely will be playing in the Mage Wars tournament.
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I will be there recording the tournament. And hopefully watching Vlad take a top position in the tournament!
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I will be at GenCon playing in the tournament
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I'll be there. Would really mess things up if I didn't go.
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I will be at GenCon, but I'll be manning the booth so you all can play in the tournament.
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I will be at GenCon, but I'll be manning the booth so you all can play in the tournament.
And we all thank you and the others for hosting it.
I'll be there and playing in the tournament, but I have no idea yet which Mage I'm going to be using... I did well with an Earth Wizard last year, but I'm tired of playing it.
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I will be there recording the tournament. And hopefully watching Vlad take a top position in the tournament!
Works for me. 8)
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I'll be there. Would really mess things up if I didn't go.
In what way?
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I'll be there. Would really mess things up if I didn't go.
In what way?
He's not only judging he's giving me and another judge a ride as well as one of our reigning Wounded Warrior Champions who's coming to compete. His car is the most reliable. So if JasonBourneZombie doesn't make it we gotta grey hound it.
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Right. I don't mean that the tournament would miss me if I had to drop. I bet AW could replace a judge inside a couple days. I do NOT want to test that theory, though. I'm psyched.
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Setting reminder to self: Be nice to JBZ for the next few weeks....
A few weeks! It's almost here? And I still have nothing to wear (in terms of Mage garb). Every day I feel like bringing something different.
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Hey guys!
Just wanted to say that I'm excited to help bring this tournament to the internet! I know most of the players plan on keeping their spellbooks secret before the tourny, but if you are interested in an outsider perspective I would be glad to take a look at your book. If you play on OCTGN I would also be happy to set up a time and play a strategy you may feel you need training in.
Feel free to PM me!
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I'd actually like to talk a little now about something I might as well get out of the way now:
How I run tournaments.
I'm the Head Judge for the GenCon Mage Wars Arena Championship this year. I didn't plan on that happening but it did and I'm committed to doing an excellent job that exceeds expectations. I do indeed have experience running highly competitive events and organizing volunteers. I pride myself on professionalism at events and on promoting a fun, friendly atmosphere.
Here is what I promise as Head Judge and what I expect in return.
-I will be completely impartial and fair in all decisions. I've run a host of big events locally for years, though I'll admit never as big a Mage Wars event as this. I have run tournaments for other games larger than this. I've never been accused of bias and I'm certainly not starting at Gen Con.
-I will competently know the rules of Mage Wars. I already have a very strong grasp on the rules and I'm studying like a crack addict every little nuance that can come up. Nobody deserves to get crap rulings that cost them a shot at the biggest prize of them all.
-I will abide by all requests and regulations of Arcane Wonders. Make no mistake friends, I work for Arcane Wonders come Gen Con. They call the shots and I follow orders. I will in no way embarrass Arcane Wonders or any member of their staff, this includes my fellow volunteers. This also includes doing everything in my power to organize rounds effectively and smoothly.
-I will personally see that the other judges will adhere to all of these standards as well.
In return I expect all competitors to hold themselves to a high level of sportsmanship and fair play. I will not abide with cheating, smack talk, taunting, tantrums, or other displays of poor sportsmanship. We're at Gen Con, lets act like it. You don't spend cash on a con badge and travel all the way to friggin Indianapolis to cheat and win through anything other than skill. You enter to prove to yourself and everyone else that you're the real goods. I expect every Mage Warrior to fight every match to their utmost. The thing I think we're all most interested in seeing are some excellent matches against great players. Lets work together to have a good, fun event that promotes this game we love and strengthens bonds of friendship through gaming.
Finally to the 2015 Gen Con Champion, whoever you end up being:
I would like to play you with my Beast Master if time permits. I honestly just want to see how I'd do against the champ :)
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Setting reminder to self: Be nice to JBZ for the next few weeks....
A few weeks! It's almost here? And I still have nothing to wear (in terms of Mage garb). Every day I feel like bringing something different.
Dave I'd just like to say if you show up dressed as the Araxian Crown Warlock I'm going to be legitimately impressed.
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Now there's an idea! Anyone have a couple of ram's horns they can lend me?
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That's great silverclawgrizzly, really admirable and inspiring words.
Here in the UK, we had a UK Championship tournament on May 29th at the UK Games Expo. It's unequivocal that Mage Wars is nowhere near as big here as it appears to be there in the US. Arcane Wonders had a small booth in one of the trade halls which was running demo games of Mage Wars. The tournament started with 30 places available and was cut to 12. There were 10 participants on the day (one of which was an opportunist who just happened to have a spellbook with him and only took part in one match). Chris, the Arcane Wonders ambassador, had to run both the booth and the tournament, and did a very good job of it. We were allocated our opponents by Chris and were pretty much left to get on with our matches. Chris came to check on times, winners etc. as much as he could. All of the competitors had high levels of sportsmanship and it was a friendly atmosphere between us all. Overall it was an excellent experience for me, I had only been playing for three months, against one opponent, and managed to place fifth! (Or fourth, as there was a joint third, however you want to look at it).
Here are some links:
Info: http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=15521.msg51935#msg51935
Results: http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=15618.msg51928#msg51928
I am Adam, I played John (modified loss), Jonathan (modified loss) and Justin (modified win).
I'm hoping that Mage Wars will grow in popularity here and that next year's tournament will attract more players!
How many players are registered for the GenCon tournament?
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For those that make the cut to the second day, do they have to play the same list, or can we play one on Friday and a different one on Saturday?
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For those that make the cut to the second day, do they have to play the same list, or can we play one on Friday and a different one on Saturday?
Same book. Aall books are registered and there are random deck checks on day one. As well as uppion arrival on day 2.
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Yeah the logic probably being something along the lines of, if you notice that mostly one type of mage makes it to Day 2 you could alter your book to better meet that particular challenge.
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For those that make the cut to the second day, do they have to play the same list, or can we play one on Friday and a different one on Saturday?
Same book. Aall books are registered and there are random deck checks on day one. As well as uppion arrival on day 2.
Last year they gave out promos while we were playing (which is awesome) and I wasn't thinking and put it in the back of my book (I didn't use them) and had a mini freak out after the game I was playing that my book would randomly get chosen and I would get booted. I could just imagine the question of why do you have a wolverine in your book>?
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For those that make the cut to the second day, do they have to play the same list, or can we play one on Friday and a different one on Saturday?
Same book. Aall books are registered and there are random deck checks on day one. As well as uppion arrival on day 2.
Berserker Barrage?
Last year they gave out promos while we were playing (which is awesome) and I wasn't thinking and put it in the back of my book (I didn't use them) and had a mini freak out after the game I was playing that my book would randomly get chosen and I would get booted. I could just imagine the question of why do you have a wolverine in your book>?
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Yeah the logic probably being something along the lines of, if you notice that mostly one type of mage makes it to Day 2 you could alter your book to better meet that particular challenge.
Of course, though, everyone else would have that same option, so if you tweak your book based on the popularity of mage X, you might show up the next day and find them all playing mage Y instead.
I know in other games I've played that allow separate lists for different days, some players will deliberately bring their second best build to day 1 so that they don't tip their hand about their build for the finals.
I don't really have a preference either way, I just wanted to make sure I knew which method was being used.
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I'll be there! Super pumped!
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Which cards are legal for play at GenCon?
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I know everything up to Forged in Fire is legal. I'm thinking Domination is as well but would like confirmation on that.
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I know everything up to Forged in Fire is legal. I'm thinking Domination is as well but would like confirmation on that.
I was thinking that Arena preorders were going to pickup-able at GenCon. If so then they're legal as well.
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I know everything up to Forged in Fire is legal. I'm thinking Domination is as well but would like confirmation on that.
I was thinking that Arena preorders were going to pickup-able at GenCon. If so then they're legal as well.
As well as what? Everything up to FiF? That and Domination?
What is included in Arena that isn't included in everything up to FiF?
Is there a card list from Domination so I can look through my promos to see if any of them are valid (if indeed Domination cards are legal for the tourney)?
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If you go to the General Discussion and check the Domination Spoilers thread the whole sets there.
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If you go to the General Discussion and check the Domination Spoilers thread the whole sets there.
Thanks. Can anyone tell me if I need to bother? Is the Domination card set usable in the tournament?
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Dave, I should have an answer for you tomorrow. Though currently I do not think so, as domination was prereleased at origins. But Like I said, I'll have an answer tomorrow.
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I would hope the battlegrounds cards would be legal at gen con. They will have been street legal for almost a month.
That is presuming they are out this upcoming week as planned.
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Whoever wrote the article (I thought it was you Laddinfance):
Dominate the Arena: Origins! (http://www.arcanewonders.com/arcane-wonders/dominate-the-arena-origins)
Has a line below the Raincloud image that states:
This means that they are now available for all players and legal in all tournaments, including the upcoming Gen Con Mage Wars Championship!
Has that changed?
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That is exactly what I'm checking.
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I would hope the battlegrounds cards would be legal at gen con. They will have been street legal for almost a month.
That is presuming they are out this upcoming week as planned.
I wonder if there shouldn't be some sort of moratorium on the use of cards... say, one to three months after publication... for their use in tournaments.
I'd hate to think that some people might have access to particular spells that others may not (due to potential distribution or underproduction issues, for example). Even if there are no such issues, I'd think that it still might be better to keep some players from having to face the next "mandatory include" without having been able to afford to purchase the set as soon as it comes out (say, until the next pay check), or the understanding of how their current strategy may be changed due to making cards that they have never seen available.
Unfamiliar cards in play also may tend to slow down tournament games as the players who have never seen them before take time to look them over as they are played against them... and work out strategies on how to deal with any surprises contained in them.
Also, we probably end up playing against play-testers or others (for example those on OCTGN) who may have used (or at least studied) new cards for months prior to their publication.
If the idea is to encourage serious players to purchase products immediately upon release, then it works better if you allow cards from products released up to the day of the start of the tournament. This also may serve to frustrate others and keep them from playing in tournaments... or perhaps at all.
Just a thought... I can live with it either way. For my purposes, I just need to know how to finalize my tournament book sometime before the day the tournament starts. (Thanks for letting us know that the decision will be made very soon now.)
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Three MONTHS would be rather excessive. Other games I've played tend to have 1-3 weeks before new product becomes tournament legal after release, and I think that's pretty reasonable.
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Why not try to build your spellbook without the new cards? Instead of assuming it's not going to be viable, have you ever tried to figure out how to make your spellbooks viable without the new cards? A slight disadvantage isn't the same thing as a fatal weakness. A lot of times I've found that the staple cards are not the cards that are absolutely necessary to make a particular spellbook strategy viable, and many staples have some slightly weaker substitutes. I recently made a really awesome warlock deck that is really great except for that it gets shut down by cloak of shadows and rolling fog, and I've yet to figure out how to fix that. However, it would probably work just fine without acid ball.
And my most recent core set x1 only spellbooks which I haven't posted yet are pretty decent too. The beastmaster needs more work though, I probably should take out most of the defensive stuff and put in some more position control, like force hold and enfeeble.
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The way I'd score it is like this: Domination legal. Academy not so much.
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The nice thing about Mage Wars is that it is not a Collectible Card Game. This ensures an (potential) even distribution of cards among players. For GENCON, if you don't currently don't own Domination and plan to buy at the con, all you really need at the moment is the spell list for what cards and how many are provided by the expansion. From there you can use proxies to hold any card choices from the Domination set until the purchase.
As the green blooded guy said, you don't need the expansion to compete in the tournament though.
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Hey, we're trying to fill one space in the tournament. It's first come, first serve. If you're interested please let me know ASAP. We need to get this ball rolling!
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Also, if you'r against the idea because you don' know how to use OCTGN, I will teach you personally tonight. :)
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I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread... If you're interested please refer to the Thunderdome thread
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That makes sense... last I looked there were around 16 spots left for the GenCon touney :)
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He's not only judging he's giving me and another judge a ride as well as one of our reigning Wounded Warrior Champions who's coming to compete. His car is the most reliable. So if JasonBourneZombie doesn't make it we gotta grey hound it.
I am the "one of our reigning Wounded Warrior Champions" that Silverclawgrizzly is talking about. I am new to the forums (this is my first post), but I hope to be able to make some valuable contributions. I am excited to see those of you who will be coming to Gencon 2015.
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What is the offiical policy on how to handle cards from earlier printings that have had their text updated in a more recent printing? My core sets are from the first printing, and I know that quite a few of the cards have been tweaked in later printings.
I can still use the physical copies I have from the 1st edition, right? But the wording for the most recent printing would apply?
On a related note, is there any place that one can find a comprehensive list of all cards that have received updated text? The officlal Mage Wars Rules Supplement has updates for some cards, but not all. (For example, it has updated text for Battle Fury, but does not mention Skeletal Sentry being updated to have the Soldier subtype.)
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That's a pretty good question Vlad. For me I'd say since I and the other judges know what's been updated go ahead and play the older cards if you want. If it actually becomes a big issues I'll see what we can't do about getting some of the newer printing cards.
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I've been allowed to use my earlier edition tanglevine at tournaments before. Just as silverclaw says, as long as you know what the updated card text is you should be fine.
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What is the offiical policy on how to handle cards from earlier printings that have had their text updated in a more recent printing? My core sets are from the first printing, and I know that quite a few of the cards have been tweaked in later printings.
I can still use the physical copies I have from the 1st edition, right? But the wording for the most recent printing would apply?
On a related note, is there any place that one can find a comprehensive list of all cards that have received updated text? The officlal Mage Wars Rules Supplement has updates for some cards, but not all. (For example, it has updated text for Battle Fury, but does not mention Skeletal Sentry being updated to have the Soldier subtype.)
Yes, use the old cards, but the most recent wording. As for a collected place where you can find all of those, that would be the supplement. I was working hard on it last week and am nearly done updating it. Then it should be much more helpful to you!
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I currently am scheduled to play in the tournament, but with out time to playtest and build I may withdraw. Still not certain.
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Play. If nothing else it'll be fun.
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Play. If nothing else it'll be fun.
Really! You will get to play a wider group of players and probably experience games that are different than you usually get at home.
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Trying now to playtest on OCTGN, but i've been staring at the spellbook builder for 20 minutes trying to figure out this thing.
This is terrible.
There is no running totals, you can't just type in a card name, you have to filter every category to even get close to finding what you are looking for...
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V110lentray
There is a Name category that you can search on. Sure it not an open field that you can just type in but it is one extra click and you have the same result as the online builder. If you followed the SBB instructions here (http://octgn.gamersjudgement.com/wordpress/magewars/install-2/sbb/), under the Plugins drop down you select Validate Mage Wars Spellbook, it will give you how many spellpoints you have used.
It will also copy the results to your clipboard. If you open up a text editor or Word you can paste that in and you will see all of the spells by category - number in book, name, the spell level, the spell cost for that mage, and the total cost for the spells.
Unlike the online builder you can look for cards that have the Ethereal Trait in the Attack bar. The thing you are not liking to me is the why the OCTGN one is so much more superior than the online one.
If you like the Online one and want to start their, that is supported to. The guys at Arcane Duels made a fantastic video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnXmiXz-CYw)about that exact feature.
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Here is the output from the clipboard (this is from Schwenkgott's Facemelter Spellbook):
A Mage Wars Spellbook, built using the OCTGN SBB 7/20/2015 9:30 PM
Spellbook points: 120 used of 120 allowed
Key: Quantity - Spell Name - Spell Level - Spellbook Cost - Total Spellbook Cost
Adramelech Warlock
--- Magestats ---
1 - Adramelech Warlock Stats - 0 - 0 - 0
--- Attack ---
6 - Flameblast - 1 - 1 - 6
4 - Fireball - 2 - 2 - 8
2 - Acid Ball - 1 - 2 - 4
2 - Devil's Trident - 2 - 2 - 4
--- Conjuration ---
1 - Battle Forge - 2 - 3 - 3
1 - Mana Crystal - 1 - 2 - 2
2 - Wall of Fire - 2 - 2 - 4
2 - Wall of Thorns - 1 - 2 - 4
--- Enchantment ---
3 - Adramelech's Touch - 2 - 2 - 6
3 - Rust - 1 - 2 - 6
1 - Poisoned Blood - 1 - 1 - 1
3 - Marked for Death - 1 - 1 - 3
1 - Arcane Corruption - 2 - 2 - 2
1 - Agony - 1 - 1 - 1
2 - Enfeeble - 2 - 2 - 4
2 - Death Link - 2 - 2 - 4
1 - Regrowth - 1 - 2 - 2
1 - Akiro's Favor - 1 - 2 - 2
1 - Hawkeye - 1 - 2 - 2
2 - Nullify - 1 - 2 - 4
--- Equipment ---
2 - Fireshaper Ring - 1 - 1 - 2
2 - Lash of Hellfire - 2 - 2 - 4
2 - Dragonscale Hauberk - 1 - 1 - 2
1 - Adramelech's Torment - 1 - 1 - 1
1 - Ring of Curses - 1 - 1 - 1
1 - Cloak of Shadows - 2 - 2 - 2
1 - Eagleclaw Boots - 1 - 2 - 2
--- Incantation ---
1 - Combustion - 1 - 1 - 1
2 - Ignite - 1 - 1 - 2
1 - Explode - 2 - 2 - 2
3 - Dispel - 1 - 2 - 6
1 - Disarm - 1 - 1 - 1
2 - Teleport - 2 - 4 - 8
2 - Seeking Dispel - 1 - 2 - 4
2 - Dissolve - 1 - 2 - 4
2 - Force Push - 1 - 2 - 4
1 - Force Wave - 1 - 2 - 2
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There is no running total but you can always load a deck in a single player game with debug on and it will tell you your deck size. Clunky but it works. Can always just count cards.
I use the name filter like sIKE said and build my deck on OCTGN after I have built it with my cards. That way I'm just loading cards into the deck and I'm not building or daydreaming from the OCTGN deckbuilder.
You can also click the card type column to have them sorted ascending or descending by type. This way you can leaf through all the avaiable cards of any type if your in daydream mode.
Other than the running total thing it does most other things just fine when you know how you like using it. It also has the advantage of having all the promo cards for interest sake.
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I currently am scheduled to play in the tournament, but with out time to playtest and build I may withdraw. Still not certain.
I'm going in with practically no testing either. Should be interesting.
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I don't see too many ways to realistically practice. Unless your local play group has enough players that at least one of them focuses on each of the mages, and plays them well, you're just gonna have to go in blind on some level. Playing on OCTGN could help though.
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I don't see too many ways to realistically practice. Unless your local play group has enough players that at least one of them focuses on each of the mages, and plays them well, you're just gonna have to go in blind on some level. Playing on OCTGN could help though.
Then why bother playing the game at all. Why should AW continue to produce the game if we are only going to sit in our houses and play for free on OCTGN.
I know a few people within 20-30 minutes of me who play, but only play on OCTGN. So why bother continuing supporrting a product if we're only gooing to play online. What benefit does AW have to continue producing the game if the answer to playing, is play on OCTGN.
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OCTGN can be a good supplement for playing in person, but it shouldn't replace it all together. Sometimes the temporary answer is to play on OCTGN until you can grow a following in your area.
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OCTGN is not intended to be a replacement for purchasing the product to play and play in real life. I still try to have at least a 1 IRL game a week, and purchase practically all that AW has to offer. OCTGN should be good for getting in additional games, playing players outside of your meta, and just for fun.
I have talked with bunches of players both here, face to face, and on OCTGN, some of them refuse to play online mainly because they don't like playing the game against a faceless partner. I can respect that, but as someone that has a wife and three kids getting out to the Dragons Lair (http://dlair.net/austin/) or over to the Emerald Tavern (http://www.emeraldtaverngames.com/)is really a super special and rare treat for me. So what little additional playtime I get besides my half game day on Friday has to happen on OCTGN. Even then I don't get the chance to play anywhere near as often as I desire as I have been focusing in on the dev side of things.
I truly hope that people are not playing for "free"!
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OCTGN is not intended to be a replacement for purchasing the product to play and play in real life. I still try to have at least a 1 IRL game a week, and purchase practically all that AW has to offer. OCTGN should be good for getting in additional games, playing players outside of your meta, and just for fun.
I have talked with bunches of players both here, face to face, and on OCTGN, some of them refuse to play online mainly because they don't like playing the game against a faceless partner. I can respect that, but as someone that has a wife and three kids getting out to the Dragons Lair (http://dlair.net/austin/) or over to the Emerald Tavern (http://www.emeraldtaverngames.com/)is really a super special and rare treat for me. So what little additional playtime I get besides my half game day on Friday has to happen on OCTGN. Even then I don't get the chance to play anywhere near as often as I desire as I have been focusing in on the dev side of things.
I truly hope that people are not playing for "free"!
Well, I actually don't completely agree with you, sIKE. It's okay to test for free before deciding what expansions to buy. And if you don't have anyone to demo the core game to you irl. And even in real life, it's okay if not everyone in your playgroup owns a copy of the core set, or even owning any of the cards.The ideal number of players in a playgroup per copy of the core set I would say is about 2-4. It's totally fine if a couple players designate themselves as the "card banks" of their playgroup. Mage wars collections are meant to be shared, after all. I actually discussed that at length in an article I posted on these very forums:
http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=15686
So you see, an individual playing for free is perfectly acceptable, as long as at least one person in their playgroup is paying for it. If you don't share your collection, you're probably not going to be getting the full value out of it. However, I don't recommend getting into mage wars as a hobby if you're not planning to ever play irl too. And if there aren't enough mage wars players willing to share/loan their collection with/to you, be prepared to buy your own anyways. If you're buying your own collection, it's also a good idea to start your own playgroup to share it with.
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Sailor Vulcan,
I do understand what you are driving at, though, I disagree. I feel I have no issues playing game on OCTGN as I own the physical cards that I play with. No moral issues for me at all. What I am driving at, is the solution OCTGN provides is not intended as a way for someone to play Mage Wars on the cheap. The guys with the "card banks" have in my opinion "fair use" to use the digital images on OCTGN, the guys who do not own the cards, really do not have a "fair use" leg to stand on. Now if you are thinking about buying one of the expansions but are not sure which one is desired next, OCTGN is a good forum to learn about what it is you want and then you go buy it.
What you will notice here, is that, everything is centered around ownership of the product you are playing, OCTGN is not intended to be used in lieu of....
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Um, now I really have to ask. Have you never gone over to a friend's house to play a game that they own that you don't? What I'm talking about is a lot more like that. Mage wars collections are meant to be shared, the person who owns the collection isn't going to get the full value for what they paid for otherwise. And if people want to try cards from a particular set so that their playgroup's card bank(s) knows whether to buy that set or not, that's perfectly acceptable. Of course having "card banks" isn't the only way for collections to be shared, it's just a method that's probably easier to coordinate.
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I have to ask, have you gone over to a friends house sat down in front of his computer, logged in and played, I don't know, Call of Duty? No of course not, you friend will tell you to go get the game and play it on your own computer.
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I don't see too many ways to realistically practice. Unless your local play group has enough players that at least one of them focuses on each of the mages, and plays them well, you're just gonna have to go in blind on some level. Playing on OCTGN could help though.
Then why bother playing the game at all. Why should AW continue to produce the game if we are only going to sit in our houses and play for free on OCTGN.
I know a few people within 20-30 minutes of me who play, but only play on OCTGN. So why bother continuing supporrting a product if we're only gooing to play online. What benefit does AW have to continue producing the game if the answer to playing, is play on OCTGN.
At no time did I say or intend to infer that OCTGN in any way shape or form should be a substitute for actual real life playing. I stated that it is very unlikely any particular play group has a person who specializes in each mage. That'd be what over half a dozen people right? Not to mention they'd have to go "Ok you get Druid, you get Priest, etc." By suggesting OCTGN I offered a possible method of fighting mages outside your normal play group. I do not myself play OCTGN but my roommate does....when neither I nor any of our Mage Wars playing friends are around.
Obviously the best way to play a game is in person with actual people. However the downside of play groups, and this is something our own local guy who's entering the tournament found out, is they tend to form specific ways to play based on how each person plays. That's all well and good, then we get new members and they bring new tricks to the table and kick the crap out of us a few times until we have to learn to assimilate their stuff into our thinking too. Still I say again: at no time did I say OCTGN was better than actual play.
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How did the GenCon thread turn into a debate about using OCTGN? :o
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I have to ask, have you gone over to a friends house sat down in front of his computer, logged in and played, I don't know, Call of Duty? No of course not, you friend will tell you to go get the game and play it on your own computer.
You're totally missing what I'm saying. I'm not saying that people should play octgn as a substitute for real life play. Octgn is good for trying out a set to see if you like it enough for you or whoever owns the playgroup's collection to buy it. If it's okay to use octgn for trying a mage to see if you like it, and if it's okay for someone to play with a friend's cards they don't own with that friend's permission, then there's nothing wrong with playing on octgn to find out what mages you like so that the person who owns the collection knows what sets to buy so that he doesn't end up with tons of cards that rarely or never see use. I personally would rather not waste money on a set if I can't find friends to share it with, since otherwise there will be a lot of cards in my collection that don't see much if any play. I wrote an entire article on this subject! Why don't you just read that first?
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How did the GenCon thread turn into a debate about using OCTGN? :o
This post right here.
Then why bother playing the game at all. Why should AW continue to produce the game if we are only going to sit in our houses and play for free on OCTGN.
I know a few people within 20-30 minutes of me who play, but only play on OCTGN. So why bother continuing supporrting a product if we're only gooing to play online. What benefit does AW have to continue producing the game if the answer to playing, is play on OCTGN.
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I love spirited debate, but this is a post about the GENCON 2015 tournament. So let's stick to that subject. If you would like to converse about the merits of OCTGN and whether it is being used properly, please make a new thread. Thank you.
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Hey guys, there's still 10 tickets left for the tournament. Remember you need to sign up for Friday's event in order to be in the two-day tourney.
In case you didn't see it before, the game ID is: CGM1578120
Much easier to find it that way since GenCon's search function isn't that great.
Hope we get to see you there!
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I'm probably most excited to see if/how necromancers fare in a tournament setting. In my area, I'm the only one, and I could use a jumpstart to strategic planning.
Is anyone running a necromancer in the tournament?
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Yeah that's just what I need is you getting better....
I just wanna meet a bunch of players from all over. I'd be amazed if Beast Master won it two years in a row. Who won year before last?
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Last year Wizard and Necro were the most played mage. There was only one Beastmaster, and he won.
The final 4 were 3 wizards and a beastmaster.
And with the Printing Snafu with Domination, there is a good probibliity that people may choose to run that same book again, because the 2 best cards for destroying that book aren't going to be legal. Gravikor and Sandstorm.
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Last year Wizard and Necro were the most played mage. There was only one Beastmaster, and he won.
The final 4 were 3 wizards and a beastmaster.
And with the Printing Snafu with Domination, there is a good probibliity that people may choose to run that same book again, because the 2 best cards for destroying that book aren't going to be legal. Gravikor and Sandstorm.
I'm not playing at Gen Con nor am I as skilled as those who are, but in my opinion, there are lots of anti-Aviary cards available: Idol of Pestilence, Suppression Orb, Mordok's Obelisk and any of several zone attacks (or Chain Lightning) will generally do the job. I think what happened last year is that nobody thought creature swarms were viable so few players bothered to bring the counters - or at least not enough of them. That, and a Chain Lightning fizzled in the final, causing a game-changing momentum swing in that match.
If a creature swarm is on your radar, there are more than enough counters available as it is. Gravikor and Sandstorm would add to the list, but they aren't strictly necessary.
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That's true, but I think a falcon rush was more viable by far because they flew. Gravikor will probably have a greater impact on that strategy in a big tournament than idols, obelisks, and orbs, because seasoned beast masters will likely eat the cost or damage and attack the opponent. We will probably see next GenCon how well it works.
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I am very much looking forward to watching this event. I'd love to compete in it but I'm also just as glad to not have that pressure......this year. ;D
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I'm probably most excited to see if/how necromancers fare in a tournament setting. In my area, I'm the only one, and I could use a jumpstart to strategic planning.
Is anyone running a necromancer in the tournament?
I'm not... but Necro is my back-up book in case I change my mind. I played Wizard for so long, I'm just tired of it... so I decided to learn a different one this year.
My problem with playing a Necro book is that I would despise a Necro-Necro match. It would feel almost like random chance as to who would win. I played one this year, and found that half of my spellbook was useless (or nearly so). Poison immunity goes both ways.
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I will freely admit skeletons fare better against zombies than the reverse. Zombie v zombie is terrifyingly slow.
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I'm probably most excited to see if/how necromancers fare in a tournament setting. In my area, I'm the only one, and I could use a jumpstart to strategic planning.
Is anyone running a necromancer in the tournament?
I'm not... but Necro is my back-up book in case I change my mind. I played Wizard for so long, I'm just tired of it... so I decided to learn a different one this year.
My problem with playing a Necro book is that I would despise a Necro-Necro match. It would feel almost like random chance as to who would win. I played one this year, and found that half of my spellbook was useless (or nearly so). Poison immunity goes both ways.
Had a very memorable match like this one time. Skeletons VS Skeletons. I actually won it because of my Necropian Vampiress. Yes most of your book is crap against the other guy and you gotta rely on creatures, some curses, and whatever attack spells(in my case NONE) you put in a Necromancer book.
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I actually found most of my zombie vs zombie matches to be relatively close. It comes down to who strikes first and has better positioning. There's no better defense than simply not being in range of getting attacked. With the burst output of zombies followed up with an attack spell or two, you can often see these matches go by pretty quick.
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On a similar note. I personally expect there to be at least one of each mage. The ones that might not be played too much are priest (not as good as priestess with the current cards), priestess (because most people feel those decks will come to time), and the Adramalech Warlock (because she's still unfamiliar to most people).
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I'm kinda of expecting an Adramelech Warlock myself. You can get the job done pretty quick with her in some cases. I agree there probably won't be a Priest though. I also don't expect the Johktari Beast Master as people seem down on her too.
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I tried making a preist that summoned Demons... didn't work out as well as i planned.
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I tried making a preist that summoned Demons... didn't work out as well as i planned.
If you'd read your Stephen King, you'd have known that already. :P
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9 spots left in the tournament. This is going to be insane 8)
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9 spots left in the tournament. This is going to be insane 8)
Ugh, It's killing me! You guys should join! Come to Gen Con! Win a tournament!
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9 spots left in the tournament. This is going to be insane 8)
Ugh, It's killing me! You guys should join! Come to Gen Con! Win a tournament!
The best Mage Warriors from around the world meet once a year to compete in a tournament. THE tournament. You win it and we'll tell everyone you're the real goods.
Let the games begin MORTA.....erm....MAGE WARS KOMBAT!!!
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How many games do we play on Friday? Four? Will there be a break to eat, or should we get food and eat while we are playing?
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It's dependent on the number of people who enter. In terms of breaks I'm not totally sure on that one but I and the other judges aren't going to mind getting you a snack if need be. We've got breaks in our schedules and we're certainly not wanting anyone to play at less than their best because of hunger.
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I will be in the play area at 9am for those who want to register their books early(thus making my life easier.)
Been fun meeting many of you today. Look forward to tomorrow.
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We're at the finals right now. Just finished round 1! Looks like wizards will take 1st and 2nd this year! 3rd and 4th will be either a forcemaster or a priestess!
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Wizard vs wizard? Okay, how many of the participants played wizards?
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Congratulations to our 2015 Gen Con Champion: Nick Tinko!!!!
Nick played some inspired games of Mage Wars going 6-1 this weekend and taking the title of GEN CON CHAMPION!!! Nick played a Wizard(Water)
I applaud your effort sir and it was a true pleasure to see you play. You are a skilled and gracious Mage Warrior!
Congratulations also to:
2nd Place: Tim McCurry-Wizard(Earth)
3rd Place: Greg Dieckhaus-Priestess
4th Place: John Eckert-Force Master
All four of these men fought like mad to earn their spots in the final four. In fact Nick had previously fought all three of them the day before with his only loss of the tournament coming from the Priestess.
I and my friends were very privelaged to judge this tournament and see some very fine battles indeed. We are even more grateful for the oppurtunity to meet so many admirable Mage Warriors from all over the United States in the tournament as well as the international players we met at the Arcane Wonders booth.
I will of course post the spell books of the top four with the exception of the Wizard(Earth) who requested his book not be shared.
Note: If I got anybodies name wrong in terms of spelling I apologize I don't have my notes and paperwork in front of me.
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can you tell me how many participants were played for the gen con
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17. I will post a full report....when I recover. It's 2am and I just arrived in my beloved bed for hopefully the first good nights sleep I've had in days lol. Loved Gen Con....loved meeting guys....love bed....
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Wow, i hope that you will use your 1000th post here on forums for a great and loooong report :)
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i stand your repport with great imaptient , i ll make just after the traduction for french player ^^
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My report is up at http://forum.arcanewonders.com/index.php?topic=15863.0 for anyone that wants to check it out!