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Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => General Questions => Topic started by: alyss on June 29, 2014, 10:36:56 PM
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I saw a post regarding this, but it wasn't answered, and the link in that post led me to: 'Page Not Found'. :-[
If a Legendary creature was Banished, can a second Legendary creature of the same name be put into play by either player? ???
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Legendary codex:
Legendary
Only 1 copy of this object can be in play at a time. You may not cast a
Legendary spell if an object with the same name is already in play, until the
first copy is destroyed. Legendary objects cannot be brought back into play
from the discard pile if another copy is already in play.
So the answer to your question is no. Legendary is not restricted to "in arena".
While banished the creature is still in play and it is affected by own traits, and enchantments attached to it.
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Legendary codex:
Legendary
Only 1 copy of this object can be in play at a time. You may not cast a
Legendary spell if an object with the same name is already in play, until the
first copy is destroyed. Legendary objects cannot be brought back into play
from the discard pile if another copy is already in play.
So the answer to your question is no. Legendary is not restricted to "in arena".
While banished the creature is still in play and it is affected by own traits, and enchantments attached to it.
Jack is correct the creature is still in play.
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Awesome, thanks!
Another few questions regarding Banish, if I may?
1. Can Hidden Enchantments on a Banished creature be revealed even after the creature has been Banished?
2. If a friendly creature is destroyed in the arena, can Valshalla gain Wrath tokens even while she is Banished? Reversely, if a friendly creature is destroyed while Banished, can Valshalla gain Wrath tokens?
3. If a creature with Eternal Servant is destroyed while Banished, can they be summoned back? If they can, will they still Banished until the 3 turns is up, or will they be immediately returned to the arena in the same spot?
4. If a creature was Banished while it was Stunned, when will the Stun be removed?
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1. Can Hidden Enchantments on a Banished creature be revealed even after the creature has been Banished?
It is still in play just not in the Arena so I see no reason why not.
2. If a friendly creature is destroyed in the arena, can Valshalla gain Wrath tokens even while she is Banished? Reversely, if a friendly creature is destroyed while Banished, can Valshalla gain Wrath tokens?
Both would depend on how the creature is destroyed. [mwcard=MW1C39] Valshalla, Lightning Angel[/mwcard] says that a friendly creature has to be attacked and destroyed by an enemy creature. As far as the 2nd part goes at this current time we have no way to attack creatures that are not in the arena. At the bottom of this post I give a long breakdown of what happens when something dies while banished.
3a. If a creature with Eternal Servant is destroyed while Banished, can they be summoned back?
Maybe
Read more about this interaction below question 4.
3b: If they can, will they still Banished until the 3 turns is up, or will they be immediately returned to the arena in the same spot?
Once it hits the discard pile it returns to the same location it was banished from if you pay the cost again.
Read more about this interaction below question 4.
4. If a creature was Banished while it was Stunned, when will the Stun be removed?
After the next time the creature takes an action.Sleep would work the same way once the creature takes damage sleep would turn to daze.
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To understand further we have to first look at -[mwcard=MW1I01] Banish[/mwcard]. - Banish says that the effect from the spell also has the memory of the last zone the creature was in when Banish resolved.
What does it mean to be Destroyed:
When an object is destroyed, everything attached to it is destroyed and discarded. This includes damage, condition markers, tokens, enchantments, and conjurations. Ability markers are returned to the Mage. Then, the object is placed in its owner’s discard pile.
The object may then resolve a “destroyed” effect. For example, a Plague Zombie will explode. Some effects replace being discarded such as Cantrip or Obliterate
Next we have to look at Eternal Servant:
All of the creature’s attacks gain the Piercing +1
Then, should the servant be destroyed, the Necromancer may Reanimate the creature by paying its casting cost. The servant returns to play at the end of the round (see “Reanimate” in codex). You can assign the Eternal Servant marker to it, or hold the marker to place on another undead creature later.
How does Reanimate (Effect) work
This creature reanimates upon death. If this creature is destroyed, it is moved from the discard pile to the zone it was just destroyed in, and placed face down in that zone, with a face-down action marker on it. This creature is considered temporarily out of play. At the end of the round, the creature card is flipped face up and is Summoned into play. Reanimate does not occur if the creature is removed from the game when it is destroyed. See “Obliterate.”
As Far as if the creature can come back or not depends on a few things I noticed. So I sent the info to the rest of the rules team
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1. Thank you :D
2. Uhm, that still does not answer the first part of the question - "can Valshalla gain Wrath tokens even while she is Banished?" Assume that the condition was fulfilled (a friendly creature was destroyed by an enemy creature). The second part of the question was silly, sorry :-[
3. Answered beautifully. If I'm not wrong, your explanation means that explode-upon-death effects like Plague Zombie's can trigger even if it's Banished.
4. So, the Stun would last throughout the Banish, the creature would return to the field, and Stun is removed as per normal after it makes its action.
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2. Uhm, that still does not answer the first part of the question - "can Valshalla gain Wrath tokens even while she is Banished?" Assume that the condition was fulfilled (a friendly creature was destroyed by an enemy creature). The second part of the question was silly, sorry :-[
3. Answered beautifully. If I'm not wrong, your explanation means that explode-upon-death effects like Plague Zombie's can trigger even if it's Banished.
2: Valshalla that is banished is still in play.Just not in the arena.
3: Follow the steps I laid out in detail.
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Ah, alright. Thank you very much again! :)
A few more situations which I would like to clarify about:
1. Regarding what you said about Destroyed - "When an object is destroyed, everything attached to it is destroyed and discarded." This means that a Decoy attached to a creature would be destroyed as well.
2. Fellala (the fairy Familiar) has a Decoy enchantment attached to her as her chosen spell. However, she does not cast it, and was destroyed that turn. As with all familiars and objects with spellbind, the spell that is bound to them is destroyed along with them.
3. Decoy against a hidden nullify - Decoy was destroyed, but nullify negates Decoy's effect.
The question for all 3 of the above situations is: Does the controller of Decoy still get the 2 mana?
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yes you would get mana from decoy.
2 & 3 is no.
Decoy is never resolved in because of that it is not considered in play.
The text from decoy requires the card to be in play.
Perhaps somebody can explain this better than me.
cheers.
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2. If you reveal it before the Apply Damage Step, then yes. But if you do not do it until after she is "Destroyed" then no. So why wouldn't you?
3. No, it has to be revealed (in play) to re-gain the spent mana attaching it. Seeking Dispel keeps it from getting revealed and results in the loss of the card and its associated mana.
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2. If you reveal it before the Apply Damage Step, then yes. But if you do not do it until after she is "Destroyed" then no. So why wouldn't you?
3. No, it has to be revealed (in play) to re-gain the spent mana attaching it. Seeking Dispel keeps it from getting revealed and results in the loss of the card and its associated mana.
Actually, if you destroy Decoy while it's unrevealed, then the controller of Decoy will gain the mana. This is in the Rules and Codex Supplement.
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2. If you reveal it before the Apply Damage Step, then yes. But if you do not do it until after she is "Destroyed" then no. So why wouldn't you?
3. No, it has to be revealed (in play) to re-gain the spent mana attaching it. Seeking Dispel keeps it from getting revealed and results in the loss of the card and its associated mana.
Actually, if you destroy Decoy while it's unrevealed, then the controller of Decoy will gain the mana. This is in the Rules and Codex Supplement.
If Decoy is discarded from somewhere other than play, such as if it had been planned to be cast with a familiar which then is destroyed, it does not gain its owner 2 mana.
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2. If you reveal it before the Apply Damage Step, then yes. But if you do not do it until after she is "Destroyed" then no. So why wouldn't you?
3. No, it has to be revealed (in play) to re-gain the spent mana attaching it. Seeking Dispel keeps it from getting revealed and results in the loss of the card and its associated mana.
Actually, if you destroy Decoy while it's unrevealed, then the controller of Decoy will gain the mana. This is in the Rules and Codex Supplement.
If Decoy is discarded from somewhere other than play, such as if it had been planned to be cast with a familiar which then is destroyed, it does not gain its owner 2 mana.
That is absolutely true. I was referencing that if someone uses a Seeking Dispel on your Decoy, you'll still get mana.
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2. If you reveal it before the Apply Damage Step, then yes. But if you do not do it until after she is "Destroyed" then no. So why wouldn't you?
3. No, it has to be revealed (in play) to re-gain the spent mana attaching it. Seeking Dispel keeps it from getting revealed and results in the loss of the card and its associated mana.
Actually, if you destroy Decoy while it's unrevealed, then the controller of Decoy will gain the mana. This is in the Rules and Codex Supplement.
If Decoy is discarded from somewhere other than play, such as if it had been planned to be cast with a familiar which then is destroyed, it does not gain its owner 2 mana.
That is absolutely true. I was referencing that if someone uses a Seeking Dispel on your Decoy, you'll still get mana.
Ah! Yeah! I remember that head scratching ruling!
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I spoke to Bryan about that. It was always the intention that the card would give you mana if someone used a Seeking Dispel. Unfortunately at the moment it makes for an odd ruling. Hopefully we can clean it up a bit.
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And even with the Familiar ruling in the codex, that covers a "planned" spell not an attached spell. I was talking about an attached Decoy on the Familiar, if it is attached to the Pixie and she is killed with the Decoy attached to her, if the Decoy is not revealed before she is "destroyed" then it is discarded along with the Pixie, correct?
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When the spell is prepared during planning phase it is not in play. If fellala has it prepared and dies it will not provide mana.
If you cast Decoy and it gets countered by a nullify the (facedown) Decoy enchantment is countered before it can be considered in play so it will not provide mana.
If the enchantment is in play it will provide mana when its destroyed.
You can reveal it to destroy it.
It can be hit by a seeking dispell which destroys it.
If the target it is attached to is destroyed so all objects attached to it will also be destroyed including Decoy.
These 3 scenarios the card is in play and the text on it takes effect.
'when destroyed give 2 mana'