Arcane Wonders Forum

Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: Sailor Vulcan on July 05, 2017, 03:20:43 PM

Title: Question about Force Bash and Wall Bash
Post by: Sailor Vulcan on July 05, 2017, 03:20:43 PM: If Force Bash pushes a creature against a wall, will the creature still be slammed after the wall bash? Or does the target have to actually leave the zone in order to be slammed? And if it does get slammed after wall bash, can you still slam another creature in the same zone? The text on the card seems a bit confusing and it's not clear what the intent is.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Question about Force Bash and Wall Bash
Post by: Enti on July 05, 2017, 03:36:30 PM: Hmmm, after reading the card the answer seems obvious? (Though, that doesn't mean it has to be correct^^)

If Force Bash pushes a creature against a wall, will the creature still be slammed after the wall bash?
=> Card text: "Target receives the slam condition"

Or does the target have to actually leave the zone in order to be slammed?
=> It's not written on the card to be a prerequisite.

And if it does get slammed after wall bash, can you still slam another creature in the same zone?
Card text: "If target is pushed into a zone with other creatures, you may choose[...]"

Doesn't happen here. Thus you cannot give another creature slam.
Title: Re: Question about Force Bash and Wall Bash
Post by: Coshade on July 05, 2017, 03:37:39 PM: Force Bash only gives a Slam condition when it moves one zone through a push. If it hits a wall for a Bash attack (Non-passage Walls), then it did not move 1 zone and thus would not get slammed. Also if you Bash with Force Bash then you cannot place a Slam on a second creature because you did not move a zone as well.

Hope that answers all your questions!
Title: Re: Question about Force Bash and Wall Bash
Post by: Enti on July 05, 2017, 03:59:54 PM: So much for "it's clearly stated on the card itself" (that the actual push is not a requirement for the slam^^)
Title: Re: Question about Force Bash and Wall Bash
Post by: DaveW on July 05, 2017, 09:24:36 PM: Quote from: Enti on July 05, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
So much for "it's clearly stated on the card itself" (that the actual push is not a requirement for the slam^^)

It clearly states on the card that it gets the slam condition "if the push moved the target."

I have to think that moving the target means that it has to change zones, since that is what is done when you take a move action.
Title: Re: Question about Force Bash and Wall Bash
Post by: Zuberi on July 05, 2017, 11:28:21 PM: Quote from: DaveW on July 05, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: Enti on July 05, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
So much for "it's clearly stated on the card itself" (that the actual push is not a requirement for the slam^^)

It clearly states on the card that it gets the slam condition "if the push moved the target."

I have to think that moving the target means that it has to change zones, since that is what is done when you take a move action.

It received errata to clarify this. The first printing of the card lacked that wording, so Enti may just have an outdated copy.

First Printing: "Target receives the Slam condition"
Later Printings: "If the Push moved the target, give it the Slam condition"

All errata and rulings on specific cards can be found in the Official Rules and Codex Supplement.
Title: Re: Question about Force Bash and Wall Bash
Post by: Enti on July 06, 2017, 08:56:56 AM: Ahhh, yes, that explains it. I read the old card.

The new card clealy states that you need to move for the slam to occur - thus I presume that Sailor did only read the old cardtext as well hence the confusion?