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Mage Wars => Player Feedback and Suggestions => Topic started by: Sailor Vulcan on November 07, 2016, 07:47:55 AM
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I like receiving MW promo cards at conventions as much as the next person. You know what I would like more? Receiving copies of errata'd MW cards at conventions. I still only have a third edition core set, and I don't want to buy another core set just to get the errata.
Could you guys please start handing out errata'd cards as promos at events? I'm pretty sure I requested this ages ago, but I never got a response.
Thanks!
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I don't think this is a horrible idea... maybe something that could be looked into?
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I'd always have new cards personally. It would take several hundred cards to replace all my errated ones, I'd much rather new cards.
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There is no good solution for this. The correct errataed text should exist in the FAQ. Any printed cards detracts from time devoted to new cards and amended printable sheets are an ip issue.
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There is no good solution for this. The correct errataed text should exist in the FAQ. Any printed cards detracts from time devoted to new cards and amended printable sheets are an ip issue.
What is an ip issue?
And why are stickers no solution?
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There is no good solution for this. The correct errataed text should exist in the FAQ. Any printed cards detracts from time devoted to new cards and amended printable sheets are an ip issue.
I really don't see why they can't release the amended versions as promo cards. I don't think time is an issue so much here because these are cards that have already been designed. Arguably time taken for alternate variants is time taken away from the original version of the game, and yet they still do it because the amount of time lost there is not very significant. I doubt it would really take much to include some errata'd cards as promos alongside the new promo cards, to hand out at events, or as part of organized play participation prizes. Plus, since errata are inevitable in a game like this, releasing shiny promo versions of errata to hand out at events and organized play would probably go a long way towards convincing people unfamiliar with customizable strategy games that errata is just a normal and healthy part of LCG-like games, and does not in fact, indicate incompetency on the part of the designers.
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I vote against errata cards as promos since this means in fact errata cards only for US. They will never really arrive here in europe and never ever in countries besides those two continents
If real cards were pronted, then please sell updated cards to purchase like spelltomes. If no real cards will be made (what I think) I heavily vote for stickers. They are more durable then printouts and will fit with all designed artwork and so on.
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I vote against errata cards as promos since this means in fact errata cards only for US. They will never really arrive here in europe and never ever in countries besides those two continents
I vote 'No' because every errated card printed is a waste that could have given me a new card.
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I vote against errata cards as promos since this means in fact errata cards only for US. They will never really arrive here in europe and never ever in countries besides those two continents
I vote 'No' because every errated card printed is a waste that could have given me a new card.
Sorry, but not true.
It's only comparable in amount of material needed, but all carddesign (everything from scratch to testing, as well as artwork) is already done for errata cards. To print them is more pr less no effort. New cards are a lot of work.
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Sorry, but not true.
It's only comparable in amount of material needed, but all carddesign (everything from scratch to testing, as well as artwork) is already done for errata cards. To print them is more pr less no effort. New cards are a lot of work.
But there are plenty of cards designed and not released (some have been pulled and more likely this weekend for example), and that design work has to take place at some time, you are only bringing it forward.
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But some cards make me sad that they are weak. :'(
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But some cards make me sad that they are weak. :'(
This is true, but applies across all sets, all games, promo and full release.
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There is no good solution for this. The correct errataed text should exist in the FAQ. Any printed cards detracts from time devoted to new cards and amended printable sheets are an ip issue.
What is an ip issue?
And why are stickers no solution?
Intellectual Property issue. The copying of cards without buying them.
I originally suggested sticker sets as the best solution I could think of at the time. However I then realised that I would have to have hundreds of stickers to replace every single mistake. It is a nice idea in theory but hardly practicable upon reflection.
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A printable color sheet with the format set for the cards, would work for me. Just print that card out, slide it into a sleeve (or paste it to the old card). They have done this before, and I would not mind them continuing the process.
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Wow. This really doesn't have to be so complicated you guys. Organized Mage Wars play doesn't just happen at cons you know. If errata'd cards were released as promos, they could be given to ambassadors to distribute at local organized play events as a participation prize. That means not just in the US.
And printing old cards that are already designed doesn't "take time away" from printing new cards. Why not just print both?
Errata'd cards as promo cards avoids messing with the IP issue (like stickers do), and it would not be US only. It does not make any significant impact on the production of new cards. Or at least, I somewhat remember Laddinfance saying something like that in another thread.
Furthermore, producing errata'd cards as promo cards would help more people realize that errata is a normal and healthy part of LCG-like games, and that it doesn't indicate any incompetency on the part of the designers. This would likely make it easier and less costly to errata cards as necessary in the future, because errata wouldn't harm the value of sets as much.
If a card from a certain set gets errata'd, the entire edition of that set in which the broken version of the card comes in loses value.
If they released errata'd cards as promos then it would be easier to sell older editions of sets. Instead of just waiting for the new edition of a set to be released, players will be more likely to buy the older edition and then attend local organized play for the errata'd cards.
Does anybody have any better ideas? Are there other reasons errata'd cards as promo cards wouldn't work that well which I am not thinking of?
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Does anybody have any better ideas? Are there other reasons errata'd cards as promo cards wouldn't work that well which I am not thinking of?
Yes - in every instance you see them printing and issuing an errated card, I'd rather they print and issue me a promo card already designed and in circulation. That's useful to me, but the errata are not.
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Does anybody have any better ideas? Are there other reasons errata'd cards as promo cards wouldn't work that well which I am not thinking of?
Yes - in every instance you see them printing and issuing an errated card, I'd rather they print and issue me a promo card already designed and in circulation. That's useful to me, but the errata are not.
So then the question is whether printing errata cards as promos would at all decrease the number of actual promos being released, and if so by how much. Anybody know?
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Well printing the cards has a cost, that either gets absorbed by AW (and ultimately affects the cost of their products), or you get charged for them, and AW take an upfront hit of cashflow, to be slowly replenished by sales.
Even if they were distributed in parallel to promos, there has to be a cost. I'd rather AW was more profitable, or the cost of the main products stayed lower, or they had more money to spend on larger printruns of other products, or to hire more developer time, or etc...
You (and others) obviously disagree, but all things have a cost in resources. TNSTAAFL.
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I think getting 1 promo pack with all the errata-cards is a reasonable idea. Cool cool! Can't wait for it! :)
/edit: Uh, there are 27 errata cards so far - that has to be a huge promo-pack. But this number only shows that it really is time to get all the fans up to speed.
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I think getting 1 promo pack with all the errata-cards is a reasonable idea. Cool cool! Can't wait for it! :)
/edit: Uh, there are 27 errata cards so far - that has to be a huge promo-pack. But this number only shows that it really is time to get all the fans up to speed.
It's much bigger than 27 I think - there are a lot of subtypes and damage types added to core set cards, as well as the substantive changes like Hand of Bim Shalla, Gate to Hell, etc...
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Well, I just counted them. It's 27 - including any minor change as subtype "mana" suddenly and stuff like this.
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Well, I just counted them. It's 27 - including any minor change as subtype "mana" suddenly and stuff like this.
Then I stand corrected, less than I thought.
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I would buy an update pack.
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How many copies of each card does a 'pack' contain - some of those were 6 per set, some 4 per set... If there's 27 different cards then I must have a couple of hundred that need changing...
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Even at 4 replacements in an update pack that is 104 cards per set which is more or less a core tome 1 spell set and that without any of the level 1s getting 6.
So instead of using those print runs to print new cards they are reprinting old cards.
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Even at 4 replacements in an update pack that is 104 cards per set which is more or less a core tome 1 spell set and that without any of the level 1s getting 6.
So instead of using those print runs to print new cards they are reprinting old cards.
Even if they were to reprint select older cards like this, I'd much rather have an essentials pack - Teleport, Lesser Teleport, Dissolve, Crumble, Mage Bane, Acid Ball, etc...
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Even at 4 replacements in an update pack that is 104 cards per set which is more or less a core tome 1 spell set and that without any of the level 1s getting 6.
So instead of using those print runs to print new cards they are reprinting old cards.
This is the big problem. Printing "errata" replacement cards really does cost time at graphics, typesetting and printers. Sure, it doesn't take up development time, but it could still mean a delay in other product. Of course, updated card text should show up on future printings of the product in which it's contained, just like each printing of the core set, the latest printing of FvW (e.g. Goblin Builder), etc.
That said, there was a long wait between Forged in Fire and the releases that followed (Battlegrounds Domination/Academy/Paladin vs Siren/Lost Grimoire v1). If there might be another year-plus long wait between expansions, perhaps a "Core Spell Tome 3" that includes errata + staples could be produced, which might include latest card text for some cards and extra copies of staples like Teleport, Lesser Teleport, Force Push, Disperse, Crumble, Mage Bane, Ghoul Rot, Acid Ball, Brace Yourself, Leather Chausses, etc. But only if it doesn't take time/effort away from future new release expansions... and perhaps even reprints (e.g. keeping core sets and previous expansions in stock), since Mage Wars could really use new players, and new players need Core Sets and main expansions, not errata reprints.
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I think the bottleneck is designing new cards and not printing them. It's also something they outsource.
Expansions will probably be coming faster in the future, looking at what they have released since december 2015.
2012: Core
2013: Forcemaster/warlord (Februari) + Conquest of Kumanjaro (July) + Druid vs Necro (december). This was a crazy year. :P
2014: Forged in Fire (July). Expansions were slower but ok.
2015: Domination (July) + academy core (december). Here it was very slow for Arena especially.
2016: PvS + Academy Priestess + Academy Warlock + Lost Grimoire. A lot came out this year.
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If anything future releases will be faster than 2013 and 2016 (which were the only two reasonable releases to date). Things are very much looking up for MW.
A big pack such as this will have a cost however - even printing a 2x Unique/Legendary/specific mage, 6x L1 and 4x L2+ kind of playset of errated cards will make this the size and price of Lost Grimoire. And I'd need just over 7 of them...
Anyone going to pay that? Not me... I wouldn't pay anything for it.
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Errata'd cards as promo cards is an option to update Mage Wars. If this idea will be realized, then my wish is AW sell the cards in small update packages (with 12 cards in it).
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The thing is a lot of the errata and changes only really effect non causal play, where the players should know the errata. In casual play does it really matter if your arcane ring doesn't affect your moonglow amulet that wasn't cast from a battle forge?
I personally think that while this is a nice idea to replace everything, for those of us who have got 6+ core sets, and multiples of each expansion then it is too much to pay to replace a few hundred cards. Pick up the new core sets as they come out as I am sure that Arena isn't the last reprint.
On the note of core Tome 3 to reprint multiples of staple exapansion cards? I think this is an awesome idea, this is a way for newer players to buy in at a reduced cost. It could even be the same the LG series and include a few new things to keep the Vets buying it as well.