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Mage Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: Toxziq on July 13, 2015, 03:02:56 PM
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Unfortunately, I'm the bearer of bad news today. In short, our manufacturer used an inferior card stock and coating than specified for the July release units and as such, our release is being delayed until October. More details are online here, and we have just sent notification to our pre-order customers with options, as well.
We understand this is disappointing for many of you, as it is for us. It's an unfortunate circumstance in the hobby we love so much, that manufacturing "surprises" to even the best laid out plans.
Any comments or questions, please let us know, and believe me when I say, we are doing everything we can to bring this date in.
Details: http://www.arcanewonders.com/arcane-wonders/battlegrounds-domination-release-update
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This is a setback, but one I believe most players will appreciate. If the quality was indeed insufficient then this is an example of the love you guys put into the game. ;D (And the proof that you don't want to set us up)
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Bummer :-\
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It's unfortunate but it isn't Arcane Wonders' fault. & it's certainly better than releasing an inferior product.
The question now is, how does this change the release schedule of the upcoming products, if at all?
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That is a bummer but I agree with everything these guys have said. If it's for a reason out of your control, and you made the decision for the quality of your product, then I support that decision 100%.
Although, I also think LoW's question is valid. Are we going to see Academy in due time? Will the other expansions also get pushed back?
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It's unfortunate but it isn't Arcane Wonders' fault. & it's certainly better than releasing an inferior product.
The question now is, how does this change the release schedule of the upcoming products, if at all?
Academy, PVS, and the DTE line are separate from this and should not be impacted. Academy is still scheduled for pre-release at Gen Con and full release later this year, and the team is working on PVS, Onitama, City of Gears, and Royals as well for the DTE line.
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!!! ;D !!!
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Academy, PVS, and the DTE line are separate from this and should not be impacted. Academy is still scheduled for pre-release at Gen Con and full release later this year, and the team is working on PVS, Onitama, City of Gears, and Royals as well for the DTE line.
Good to hear! I figured that was the answer but thought it warranted being asked just to make sure.
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Forged in fire released July 2nd 2014. As a fan, an October release date is disheartening. Are there plans to correct the delays that have plagued AW?
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Forged in fire released July 2nd 2014. As a fan, an October release date is disheartening. Are there plans to correct the delays that have plagued AW?
To be very direct, the majority of perceived delays in releasing new product for Mage Wars has been the announcement of items too soon in development (PVS) and the team's complications on managing new designs, like Battlegrounds and Academy.
We know fully, and are just as frustrated with, the time frame between releases right now and are working to fix that. We understand fully that the fans want more, and we hope it's understood that our design team is small, but dedicated, to delivering great games.
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Unfortunate but understandable. I'll just hold off on remodeling my Anvil Throne Warlord for a bit and continue enjoying the Mage Wars I have now. I look forward to playing Academy at Gen Con as well. I'm still fully behind Arcane Wonders as a company and they'll be getting my money as soon as Domination releases.
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I'm sure this is disheartening for the Dev team. I know our little play group will get it when it releases. Thanks for keeping quality as a priority. This gives us new players more time with the first five sets. I do feel for the experienced players who are waiting with great expectation for new material.
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We are talking about Board game, not a dosage of Insulin or Organ transplant.
What i really like and what i value most, is that AW is comunicating with us and also that their value quality of their products because they believe in them.
I hope all customers see it in a way i do :)
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No problem at all.
For the sake of quality, and the way of Arcane Wonders communicates, I salute and appreciate it!
Best wishes!
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I just want to take a moment and say thank you to everyone. I, personally, was very concerned about this message. As most of you know, I came to Arcane Wonders to work, leaving a steady corporate job, as I believe in Mage Wars, and I believe in Aaron and Bryan, our design team. I love Mage Wars, and it's my favorite game of all time, but it does my heart good to hear all the positive feedback, both here, and in the emails we've received from making the announcement on our newsletter.
We have an amazing community, and yes, we work 100%+ for everyone out there. We know we're not WOTC with multitudes of finance and designers, but we believe Mage Wars offers something no other games offer in the space, true strategic gameplay without the luck of the draw.
I can't thank you all enough for the support, the love, and the comradery during this time. While yes, we are pretty dissapointed with this issue, and not being able to have this on your tables as planned, it's tremendous to hear that so many of you believe in what we do.
Thank you all!
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I just want to take a moment and say thank you to everyone. I, personally, was very concerned about this message. As most of you know, I came to Arcane Wonders to work, leaving a steady corporate job, as I believe in Mage Wars, and I believe in Aaron and Bryan, our design team. I love Mage Wars, and it's my favorite game of all time, but it does my heart good to hear all the positive feedback, both here, and in the emails we've received from making the announcement on our newsletter.
We have an amazing community, and yes, we work 100%+ for everyone out there. We know we're not WOTC with multitudes of finance and designers, but we believe Mage Wars offers something no other games offer in the space, true strategic gameplay without the luck of the draw.
I can't thank you all enough for the support, the love, and the comradery during this time. While yes, we are pretty dissapointed with this issue, and not being able to have this on your tables as planned, it's tremendous to hear that so many of you believe in what we do.
Thank you all!
Ditto.
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I'm a bit confused about the pre-order message. It says that "the additional units had an issue", which is that the cards were lower quality. Are the additional units the full release units? If we opt to receive units from before the full release (the Origins print), will there be any defect with the quality? I'm perfectly fine with not receiving a special box with promos, but I may be willing to wait until October if the quality is lower.
Thanks for being open with this. It must be pretty stressful!
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First, I like must say that I agree with everyone in here that AW is doing an amazing job and your transparency is really appreciated.
Second, is it obvious to keep plan as is after an incident like this?
I mean, when a new and sudden setbacks like this emerges isn't a new adapted plan the best way to approach it? Yes, we (the fan base) have been starved for new releases over a year now, but I'm not sure the cure for this is to throw out a bunch of things at the same time (or within a narrow window). Now I don't know when PVS is planned to be released, but I think AW has worked their ass off to get a really amazing product in Domination. Why not let it get its time out there for fans to try its inside out? Without disturbens of other realeases.
Academy is a different story. It is a standalone game which has a life of its own. Maybe it would be better to throw things around and release the first expansion for Academy before PVS to make the stream of products have a better pace?
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I'm a bit confused about the pre-order message. It says that "the additional units had an issue", which is that the cards were lower quality. Are the additional units the full release units? If we opt to receive units from before the full release (the Origins print), will there be any defect with the quality? I'm perfectly fine with not receiving a special box with promos, but I may be willing to wait until October if the quality is lower.
Thanks for being open with this. It must be pretty stressful!
The "additional units" comment refers to the units manufactured on the first print run, after the first set of units for the pre-release. The units affected are being destroyed and will not see distribution, hence the reprint request. The option we sent to pre-order customers is for fully manufactured units and will not be affected with the issues.
Hope this helps.
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First, I like must say that I agree with everyone in here that AW is doing an amazing job and your transparency is really appreciated.
Second, is it obvious to keep plan as is after an incident like this?
I mean, when a new and sudden setbacks like this emerges isn't a new adapted plan the best way to approach it? Yes, we (the fan base) have been starved for new releases over a year now, but I'm not sure the cure for this is to throw out a bunch of things at the same time (or within a narrow window). Now I don't know when PVS is planned to be released, but I think AW has worked their ass off to get a really amazing product in Domination. Why not let it get its time out there for fans to try its inside out? Without disturbens of other realeases.
Academy is a different story. It is a standalone game which has a life of its own. Maybe it would be better to throw things around and release the first expansion for Academy before PVS to make the stream of products have a better pace?
We will be looking at timing and not just "flood" anyone for sure.
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I just want to take a moment and say thank you to everyone. I, personally, was very concerned about this message. As most of you know, I came to Arcane Wonders to work, leaving a steady corporate job, as I believe in Mage Wars, and I believe in Aaron and Bryan, our design team. I love Mage Wars, and it's my favorite game of all time, but it does my heart good to hear all the positive feedback, both here, and in the emails we've received from making the announcement on our newsletter.
We have an amazing community, and yes, we work 100%+ for everyone out there. We know we're not WOTC with multitudes of finance and designers, but we believe Mage Wars offers something no other games offer in the space, true strategic gameplay without the luck of the draw.
I can't thank you all enough for the support, the love, and the comradery during this time. While yes, we are pretty dissapointed with this issue, and not being able to have this on your tables as planned, it's tremendous to hear that so many of you believe in what we do.
Thank you all!
I'm Toxziq and I like warm /hugs!
Keep up the good work, we're all counting on you.
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It's unfortunate but it isn't Arcane Wonders' fault. & it's certainly better than releasing an inferior product.
The question now is, how does this change the release schedule of the upcoming products, if at all?
Academy, PVS, and the DTE line are separate from this and should not be impacted. Academy is still scheduled for pre-release at Gen Con and full release later this year, and the team is working on PVS, Onitama, City of Gears, and Royals as well for the DTE line.
What is DTE?
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What is DTE?
Dice Tower Essentials. Sherrif of Nottingham, etc.
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Any news on the releaase date ?
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Will the promo's "Blur" and the "Ankh-card" be included in these first copies then ?
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Will the promo's "Blur" and the "Ankh-card" be included in these first copies then ?
I know that there's at least one shop that sells the promos separately:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1445929/miniature-market-really-selling-battlegrounds-prom (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1445929/miniature-market-really-selling-battlegrounds-prom)
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Wanted to chime in quickly here on a few things. First, the game has been released. We have shipped web-pre orders recently to customers who purchased on our online store, and we have just recently shipped to distributors about a week and a half ago. This means that stores should have them in hands, or will be getting them in hands shortly.
On the topic of the promos... our plans were to have them inserted in the box, but in order to expedite delivery, we had to have them packaged separately. If you have any stores, online or physical, selling the promos, please let us know and we'll contact them as they should not be doing that. Those are to be included in all the first print run, this run, so everyone ordering, or having pre-ordered, should get them at no additional charge.
As always, let us know if you have any questions, and if you find stores selling the Domination Promos, please feel free to email me directly at scottmorris[at]arcanewonders[dot]com anytime.
Thanks!
S
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How long until it releases on amazon.com?