Arcane Wonders Forum
Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: iNano78 on June 25, 2017, 08:59:22 PM
-
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFC13]Wildfire Imp[/mwcard]
Does "instead of taking a move action" require the ability to take a move action? If yes, it would seem that the Imp cannot teleport himself out of, say, a Tanglevine or Whirlpool, etc. (But could be Teleported out via Teleport, for instance).
-
It's explicitly not a move action, very much like the blue gremlin ability, and therefore he should be fine to port right out of that sticky situation.
-
It's explicitly not a move action, very much like the blue gremlin ability, and therefore he should be fine to port right out of that sticky situation.
I guess worded another way, is the Imp's teleport a replacement for a move action, or is it a different type of action that this creature can do (similar to Genie's wish or whatever)? In other words, does the Imp declare a move action, then instead of moving, you pay mana and he teleports to target zone containing an object with a burn marker? If so, then Restrained might prevent that, since Restrained says "cannot take move actions." Could have other implications, like whether or not [mwcard=DNE03]Stumble[/mwcard] can prevent a Wildfire Imp from teleporting (if it requires taking a move action, then replacing the move with a teleport).
-
There is no "declare move" step. You just have a move action and instead of taking a move action, you can teleport. It's a different kind of action replacing the "move action".
- restrained does not prevent it.
- Stumble is not triggered.
-
Lol that's what i said.
-
A sticker for Romeo being the first to respond!
-
Thanks for the confirmations... and I want to agree.
That said, apparently there is indeed a "declare move" step:
You can reveal after any of the steps of a Move Action. The steps can be found on the back of the 4e rulebook, but I'll repeat them here:
1. Declare Move
2. Pay Costs
3. Leave Zone Effects
4. Walls
5. Move
6. Enter Zone Effects
Step 5: Move is when you actually change zones. As long as the enchantment is revealed before this step, then it will prevent you from changing zones.
(with respect to Force Hold being revealed)
But I agree that this doesn't necessarily change the ruling with respect to a Restrained Wildfire Imp. In effect, he could replace the entire "move action" with a "teleport action"... which instead of having a "declare move" step, it would have a "declare Teleport" step, then go on to "pay costs" (mana in this case), then do any "leave zone" effects, skip the "walls" step (since it's a Teleport), then replace the "move" step itself with a "Teleport" step, then do any "enter zone" effects (e.g. trigger traps or whatever).
Make sense?
In other words, my understanding is that the steps above are all with the "Move action" and the Imp's teleport replaces the entire "move action" with a "teleport action", and thus isn't forbidden by being Restrained (which says "cannot take Move actions").
-
I forgot about the changed ruling in movement. But yeah, your conclusion makes sense. :)