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Mage Wars => Events => Topic started by: Shad0w on April 08, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
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The Mage Wars Tournament for Origins Game Fair 2014. Will be held on June 14, 2014
For more info you can check out the Arcane Wonders Tournament HQ (http://www.arcanewonders.com/news/tournaments) and / or http://originsgamefair.com/ (http://originsgamefair.com/)
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The event info got posted on the 30th of May
Check it out here (http://www.arcanewonders.com/arcane-wonders/origins-championship).
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Looking forward to seeing the published lists, the names of competitors, the results, summary of each game, tactics and strategy discussions and perhaps the odd video or two. !!!! (Please?)
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Ok I am going to start posting the event info
Scott T played Druid recommended
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[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Joseph K[/spellbookname]
[mage]Druid[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNA01]2 x Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKA01]2 x Surging Wave[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNJ08]3 x Seedling Pod[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j13]2 x Mana Flower[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ09]1 x Samara Tree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ12]1 x Vine Tree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ03]1 x Etherian Lifetree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ02]2 x Corrosive Orchid[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ06]1 x Nightshade Lotus[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ10]2 x Stranglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j22]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW01]3 x Bloodspine Wall[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1w04]1 x Wall of Thorns[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC18]1 x Togorah, Forest Sentinel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC06]1 x Kralathor, The Devourer[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC10]2 x Raptor Vine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC20]2 x Vine Snapper[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC21]2 x Thornlasher[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC17]2 x Tataree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c37]2 x Thunderift Falcon[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e28]1 x Mongoose Agility[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e20]1 x Harmonize[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e13]1 x Eagle Wings[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e07]1 x Cobra Reflexes[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e05]1 x Cheetah Speed[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNE01]1 x Barkskin[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e36]2 x Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e01]2 x Bear Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e37]1 x Sacred Ground[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e29]2 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e02]2 x Block[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e25]1 x Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNQ04]1 x Druid's Leaf Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ06]1 x Mohktari's Branch[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ08]1 x Vinewhip Staff[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ09]1 x Wand of Healing[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ10]1 x Storm Drake Hide[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNI02]3 x Burst of Thorns[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i23]1 x Rouse the Beast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI04]1 x Renewing Rain[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i17]1 x Minor Heal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i25]1 x Shift Enchantment[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i24]2 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i07]3 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]3 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 119 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
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[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Joseph L[/spellbookname]
[mage]Druid[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1a08]2 x Geyser[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKA01]1 x Surging Wave[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j13]3 x Mana Flower[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ12]1 x Vine Tree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ03]1 x Etherian Lifetree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j22]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ08]1 x Seedling Pod[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ10]1 x Stranglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ02]2 x Corrosive Orchid[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ09]1 x Samara Tree[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1w04]1 x Wall of Thorns[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j15]1 x Mohktari, Great Tree of Life[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNW01]3 x Bloodspine Wall[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ06]2 x Nightshade Lotus[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNC16]3 x Spitting Raptor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKC06]1 x Guardian Angel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC10]3 x Raptor Vine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC21]3 x Thornlasher[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c20]1 x Highland Unicorn[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c34]1 x Steelclaw Grizzly[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC20]2 x Vine Snapper[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNC06]1 x Kralathor, The Devourer[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e01]2 x Bear Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNE01]2 x Barkskin[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e04]1 x Chains of Agony[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNQ06]1 x Mohktari's Branch[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ08]1 x Vinewhip Staff[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ04]1 x Druid's Leaf Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ01]1 x Sunfire Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ06]1 x Eagleclaw Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ10]1 x Meditation Amulet[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNI02]4 x Burst of Thorns[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNI04]1 x Renewing Rain[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i12]1 x Force Push[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]1 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i23]1 x Rouse the Beast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i28]1 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i07]3 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 118 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
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[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Harry H[/spellbookname]
[mage]Warlock[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1a06]2 x Flameblast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a04]2 x Fireball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a12]1 x Ring of Fire[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a05]1 x Firestorm[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j20]1 x Sacrificial Altar[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j12]2 x Mana Crystal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j08]1 x Hand of Bim-Shalla[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j04]2 x Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1c03]1 x Dark Pact Slayer[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e31]2 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e01]2 x Bear Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e40]1 x Vampirism[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e02]4 x Block[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e29]5 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e14]2 x Enfeeble[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e09]2 x Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e24]1 x Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e20]1 x Harmonize[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e08]1 x Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e19]2 x Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e04]2 x Chains of Agony[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1q14]1 x Lash of Hellfire[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q06]1 x Dragonscale Hauberk[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q07]1 x Elemental Cloak[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q11]1 x Gauntlets of Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q09]1 x Enchanter's Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q16]1 x Leather Gloves[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q28]1 x Ring of Curses[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q21]1 x Moloch's Torment[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q12]1 x Helm of Fear[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q05]1 x Demonhide Armor[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1i28]2 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i07]3 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]3 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i02]2 x Battle Fury[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i08]2 x Drain Life[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
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[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Bernie F[/spellbookname]
[mage]Warlock[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1a12]2 x Ring of Fire[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a05]1 x Firestorm[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a06]4 x Flameblast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1a04]2 x Fireball[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j17]1 x Pentagram[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1j04]1 x Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1c03]2 x Dark Pact Slayer[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c16]1 x Flaming Hellion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1c26]1 x Necropian Vampiress[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1e32]1 x Regrowth[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e36]1 x Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e20]2 x Harmonize[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e29]3 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e01]2 x Bear Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e24]1 x Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e27]2 x Marked for Death[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e08]2 x Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e19]2 x Ghoul Rot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e31]2 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWE02]1 x Circle of Fire[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e25]2 x Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWE03]2 x Falcon Precision[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e09]3 x Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e40]2 x Vampirism[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1q05]1 x Demonhide Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q10]1 x Fireshaper Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ09]1 x Sectarus, Dark Rune Sword[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q14]1 x Lash of Hellfire[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q08]1 x Elemental Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q19]1 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q22]1 x Moonglow Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q11]1 x Gauntlets of Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ01]1 x Cloak of Shadows[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q12]1 x Helm of Fear[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q15]1 x Leather Boots[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1i11]2 x Explode[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i21]1 x Purge Magic[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
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[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Darren L[/spellbookname]
[mage]Warlord[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=FWA04]4 x Hurl Boulder[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1j04]1 x Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWJ03]1 x Barracks[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWJ02]1 x Archer's Watchtower[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWW01]2 x Wall of Pikes[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWJ07]4 x Quicksand[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=FWC11]3 x Orc Butcher[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWC01]1 x Dwarf Kriegsbiel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWC03]1 x Goblin Bomber[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWC10]1 x Ludwig Boltstorm[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWC07]1 x Grimson Deadeye, Sniper[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWC06]4 x Goblin Slinger[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKC07]2 x Dwarf Panzergarde[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWC09]1 x Iron Golem[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKE05]2 x Spiked Pit[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1e25]3 x Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNQ10]1 x Meditation Amulet[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q13]1 x Ivarium Longbow[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ05]1 x Helm of Command[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ10]1 x Storm Drake Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q06]1 x Dragonscale Hauberk[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1q16]1 x Leather Gloves[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNQ07]1 x Veteran's Belt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ04]1 x Reflex Boots[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWQ02]1 x Defense Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKQ06]1 x Eagleclaw Boots[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=mw1i04]1 x Charge[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i10]1 x Evade[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i19]2 x Piercing Strike[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i02]2 x Battle Fury[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI06]3 x Power Strike[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i23]1 x Rouse the Beast[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI08]1 x Sniper Shot[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i07]2 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i12]3 x Force Push[/mwcard]
[mwcard=mw1i17]2 x Minor Heal[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 119 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
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For the 2014 Event
75 minute rounds
4 points for a win before time - 0 points to the loser
When time is called you complete the current round you are in then. To see if a winner can be decided after time we looked at the highest remaining life totals.
3 Points for a win after time - 1 point to the loser
1 point to each player for a perfect draw
Round 1
Scott T - Harry H
Joseph K - Darren L
Joseph L - Bernie F
Standings after Round 1
Harry H - 4
Darren L - 4
Joseph L - 4
Scott T - 0
Joseph K - 0
Bernie F - 0
Round 2
Harry H - Darren L
Joseph L - Scott T
Bernie F - Joseph K
Standings after Round 2
Joseph L - 8
Harry H - 7
Darren L - 5
Joseph K - 4
Scott T - 0
Bernie F - 0
Round 3
Harry H - Joseph L
Darren L - Bernie F
Joseph K - Scott T
Standings after Round 3
Harry H - 11
Joseph L - 8
Joseph K - 7
Darren L - 5
Bernie F - 4
Scott T - 1
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It was quite amazing to note that the winner never played a game until Friday before AND made a spellbook out of nothing but the core set to win. Well done! :)
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What? Did he actually say that he had never played before? Now that's really unrealistic. You probably misunderstood him, or he was lying. No one's that good when they've only played one game in their life.
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What? Did he actually say that he had never played before? Now that's really unrealistic. You probably misunderstood him, or he was lying. No one's that good when they've only played one game in their life.
He sent me a message with what he told Tox 'I said that I had never played a full offline game of Mage Wars before Origins " I promised him I would not reveal what his forum name is so do not ask. If Harry wants to respond he will. Joseph L & Scott just started to play the druid on Saturday before the event
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So no Piousflea?
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So no Piousflea?
nope did not see him at the show
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Thank you for taking the time to post these Shad0w. Always good to see what books are used at tournaments. Surprised to see the lack of a Wizard being played again. & 3 out of 6 used Druid. Odd. Wonder why people aren't playing Wiz, because he feels too easy to win with perhaps? Or just isn't fun to them? Curious..
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I'll get hate for this Winter but I'll take a stab at your question....cause by now a lot of people can counter a wizards tricks? I look at the books posted and they are pretty good and I think the Warlock that won has the tools to take a wizard down. I don't think this one tournament will change anybodies minds but then I've never seen a wizard win one of our local events either.
I played a wizard today run by our reigning local champ and took it down with a Druid book I recently put together. The wizard is a VERY good powerful mage, but play em enough and you learn how to counter em just like anything else.
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Shadow I wanna say thank you for posting these books and the results my friend. That's pretty wild about the three druids! I've recently started playing her myself again, I may steal a few ideas from those books.
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I'll get hate for this Winter but I'll take a stab at your question....cause by now a lot of people can counter a wizards tricks? I look at the books posted and they are pretty good and I think the Warlock that one has the tools to take a wizard down. I don't think this one tournament will change anybodies minds but then I've never seen a wizard win one of our local events either.
I played a wizard today run by our reigning local champ and took it down with a Druid book I recently put together. The wizard is a VERY good powerful mage, but play em enough and you learn how to counter em just like anything else.
I won't give you any hate, on the contrary, I hope you are right. It would be nice if people started learning how to beat them and end their reign of dominance.
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sorry, I seem to have overlooked the results. were these the books for the final rounds or all the competitors in the competition. What was the results of the duels?
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Oops, never mind, there it all is on Page one, going blind in my old age. Wonderful Shadow, thanks for the info
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thank you very much for that report. Winner Warlock with only one creature... yeah, i definetly can imagine what kind of game it was :)
IF somebody is from czech republick, just check our facebook ( mage wars cz ). I rewrote a whole report and put some questions for discussion :)
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thank you very much for that report. Winner Warlock with only one creature... yeah, i definetly can imagine what kind of game it was :)
IF somebody is from czech republick, just check our facebook ( mage wars cz ). I rewrote a whole report and put some questions for discussion :)
I talk to Joseph L about the match after the result to find out what happened. He said Harry had moved in and it looked like he was going to attack next turn. So when Joe did the planning phase both his card were to counter an aggressive line of play. Harry held back for a turn costing Joe to lose tempo.
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That is brilliant! Instead of planning agressive move and trying to came with a solution how to overcome probable counter spells, he just didnt use aggresive spells at all!
Isnt there a line in "art of war" from Sun Tsu about this?
My lust for a instant game just went critical. See you tomorrow :)
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Only six players for Origins? That's a bit surprising honestly. I had thought this game was pretty popular, but six players is a very low turnout, even for a game of this type.
Not to detract from anyone's victories, but these tournament results really don't tell us much about the meta either. Six players with no Wizards, Forcemaster's, or Priest/Priestess's just doesn't tell us much about the relative power levels of the various mages.
Also, an all core book winning is very odd to me too. It makes it seem as if the expansions haven't changed the meta at all, and we're still sitting at square one. It seems obvious that the expansions have indeed changed the meta, which is why results of this nature are very, very strange.
I just don't know what to make of these results honestly.
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It was listed as an all day event and $18 to enter. I had over 10 people tell me that is why they are not playing
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The line of over 2000 people clogging the main entryway certainly didn't help.
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The line of over 2000 people clogging the main entryway certainly didn't help.
That line lasted for several hours. I think it did not start to slow till about noon
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Were you actually charging $18 to enter or was it just listed as that?
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Were you actually charging $18 to enter or was it just listed as that?
It was $18
AW gave away
3 canvas prints
4 trophies
And 1 ipad
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Oh I saw the prize support. You gave away some nice stuff. Not $18 entry fee nice though.
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Oh I saw the prize support. You gave away some nice stuff. Not $18 entry fee nice though.
They did give an iPad mini to 1st place. MSRP is at least $250, maybe as much as $500, depending on the specs. $18 for a chance to win that is quite a steal really. I'm guessing they expected more people to show up for the event. Of course you need to factor in the time it took to attend, the cost of actually going to Origins, etc, but still.
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Oh I saw the prize support. You gave away some nice stuff. Not $18 entry fee nice though.
They did give an iPad mini to 1st place. MSRP is at least $250, maybe as much as $500, depending on the specs. $18 for a chance to win that is quite a steal really. I'm guessing they expected more people to show up for the event. Of course you need to factor in the time it took to attend, the cost of actually going to Origins, etc, but still.
An iPad IS a nice prize, if you don't already own an iPad or you're interested in owning an iPad otherwise it's of no use to you. I know Origins is expensive for game companies to go to, space, tables, etc cost cash and lots of it. But it also costs the players and there's A LOT to do at that convention believe me. You gotta keep in mind, the competition for new players is tough and as this is a relatively new game fighting for folks $18 is steep. I'm not driving up to Columbus OH for a convention I've been looking forward to all year and dropping the better part of twenty bucks on a game I've never heard of that it'll take me around 4 1/2 to 5 hours to play a tournament of.
Of course that may just be my opinion, we charge at most $5-6 locally, but then our top prize is like ice cream or some promo cards usually. We did give away a free pre-order for FiF once but then we drew 10 people for that one. Now I will admit this: had I walked up to their tournament, saw 6 people and a price tag of $18 I'd have entered figuring "Eh I got a decently acceptable shot at winning this at least, and can then go home and tell all my friends about it."
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Only six players for Origins? That's a bit surprising honestly. I had thought this game was pretty popular, but six players is a very low turnout, even for a game of this type.
Not to detract from anyone's victories, but these tournament results really don't tell us much about the meta either. Six players with no Wizards, Forcemaster's, or Priest/Priestess's just doesn't tell us much about the relative power levels of the various mages.
Also, an all core book winning is very odd to me too. It makes it seem as if the expansions haven't changed the meta at all, and we're still sitting at square one. It seems obvious that the expansions have indeed changed the meta, which is why results of this nature are very, very strange.
I just don't know what to make of these results honestly.
I played at Origins last year, and probably would have played this year as well if I wasn't working at the con for Wizkids. I'm pretty surprised at such a low turn-out, though, as I know there were more people than that in the tournament I was in last year.
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The prints cost about $60 each
and the trophies ranged form $40 - $70
Anybody I talked to that said they wanted to attend the event did not have all day free to play. 2 of the 6 were last minute sign ups. They figured the exact same since the event is small they can take the time to play.
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Some people are really stupid, $18 (£10.55) is cheap, I've paid double that to play in MTG sealed events, yes I'm getting 6 booster for that money but the prize pool here is so good. Winning an iPad is great, but what would have attracted me was the chance to win the beautiful art work! Staying you don't have time to play a game you love at a games convention is another stupid reason IMO, it's not like the event is only there for one day. The fact that they winner just started playing and won, hats off to him! That's the right attitude and it paid off!
I recently attended the UKGE a growing convention which is now chasing the numbers of some of the American larger conventions, and people there where crying out for the opportunity to play in a national MW tournament. Give the support to the UK if the people of Origins are too lazy to enter tournaments!
*note this rant is my own personal opinion*
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Ok we're not gonna attack my intelligence here Chriz. It's my opinion that $18 is too much for an Origins event, which btw are normally $1 per hour for a ticket so a 5 hour event would normally be $5. See here in America I have the right to my opinion without being insulted in polite society. Keep that in mind please. Here's the base fact:
One of the largest gaming conventions in the country and half a dozen people attend your tournament. In my view that's a very bad thing. No matter how you spin that, it's bad.
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It was a personal insult to you, it was a general frustration at people in general.
So from your post I gather that the precedence is for cheap tournaments and so to ask more is to much of a culture stock for most people. is that with a cheap prize pool or no prize pool? In which case it should have been researched better. Tournments at UKGE are around £6 ($10.22). So I don't see the stretch so bad a thing. Perhaps instead of the iPad they should have given a copy of FiF away to the winner.
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Some people are really stupid, $18 (£10.55) is cheap
You may not have meant it that way, but it sounds very insulting. You say "some people are really stupid" and then in the exact next sentence say that what silverclaw was saying is not true. This makes it seem like you are correlating the two together.
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Again, I wasn't aiming my comment at any one person. I own an iPad so yes the iPad prize wouldn't have attracted me to pay, BUT like I said the art work would have. What it comes down to is people placing a value of 'Worth' on something, personally $18 seems cheap but then if the standard is for tournaments to charge $5 at Origins then AW shouldn't have put up such a good prize in order to keep the price down.
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Atm, I have no interest at all in any kind of prizes, I just would like to play a nice tournament with as many people as possible. Sadly, there are none in Germany *sniff*
My impression is that this might be true for most others too - although one ofc shouldn't judge others by one's own standards. ;)
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Atm, I have no interest at all in any kind of prizes, I just would like to play a nice tournament with as many people as possible. Sadly, there are none in Germany *sniff*
My impression is that this might be true for most others too - although one ofc shouldn't judge others by one's own standards. ;)
GW you're right. I was about to post a big rant about the standards I'd hold AW to....but eh I'll skip it. Games about having fun anyway.
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Atm, I have no interest at all in any kind of prizes, I just would like to play a nice tournament with as many people as possible. Sadly, there are none in Germany *sniff*
My impression is that this might be true for most others too - although one ofc shouldn't judge others by one's own standards. ;)
Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head here. I guess I deem $18 as cheap because we have no MW tournaments here, and yes I too would have paid that just to play regardless of prize pool. I've paid £30 ($51.12) to play a Warhammer 40k tournament before, and they were no prizes. I still stand by my comment of people being unwise / silly about turning down the chance to play in a tournament because of the cost or time, I bet there are some people kicking themselves about their decision not to play.
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Now it seems origins has loads of people. Perhaps most people feel they are not good enough for the tournament so they try demos and visit the stand. It seems pretty busy from the photos that I have seen. Sadly I did not get to attend. Mage Wars is a thriving game that has yet to reach all its potential customers, that is good for us, more mages.
Here in Europe keep an eye on Essen, perhaps there will be a tournament there. Otherwise you can always visit Arnhem for a game with our group. We are busy with the Organized Play sessions at present. 13 active mages here. Plenty of fireballs, lightning bolts, curses and grizzly bears to go around (with the odd zombie or 10 as well)
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Personally, I prefer product prizes over trophies/plaques/swords/ipads, etc. But that's me. I would have taken the roll up mage wars battle mat any day over those other prizes (although I guess I could have sold the Ipad). But that's neither here nor there. Arcane Wonders really seemed to sink some money into the prize support, and that's a good thing, but the turnout is troubling. It makes me wonder if this game's popularity is waning. I'd hate to see it, because I believe in this game, but I have to be honest, the only way I can get a game in anymore is if I play on Octgon, which I don't particularly enjoy. No one in my area will play this game anymore. So I basically don't even play anymore, and haven't in many months. Sad really.
I think there are a few reasons for this perceived decline, but that's for another thread. Hopefully it isn't really in decline at all, because I want this game to flourish, but I guess we'll see. If Gen Con has a low turnout too, that will be a very bad sign, IMO.
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Hmm, in my area, it is a quite the opposite. My league start with 8 players and now, i am ath 24.
I must also agree about prizes, i would choose some uniqe or LE item, like different creature art etc.
Sometimes, it is not about game but about players in specific area and "Opinion leaders" in that area.
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Yeah my area is the same pattern as Boochecks, we're growing by leaps and bounds. I don't think the game is declining, just the opposite in fact. ;D
Boo you are dead right about the opinion leaders in an area making or breaking a game. I've seen that enough times for sure.
We got plenty of events coming up designed to increase our numbers as well, so I'm feeling pretty hopeful. Big thing that needs to happen at the convention level is we just need to learn from what went wrong at Origins and do better next time, all we can ask honestly.
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As mentioned already, I would suspect one of the big(gest?) reasons for the lack of turnout is it being an all day event. There are many things to do at a convention; many events to attend and things to see, so people aren't going to want to spend their entire day doing one thing.
I guess what I would recommend is breaking up the tournaments into multi-day events instead. Have a round each day, that way people only have to spend ~90 minutes or so doing it. I know this has its issues as well, but I think it's worth a try.
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A little late on posting to this thread. I believe they may have learned from origins as the tournament at gen-con is multi-day with the finals on Sunday. They have two qualifying rounds one on Friday the other on Saturday both starting at 4:00 pm. They are scheduled for 4 hrs. That will allow people visit the vendor floor and still work in a tournament. Guess it won't help if you are only planning on attending one day but when I go to a convention I usually attend multiple days. Top four from each day advances to the finals.