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Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => General Questions => Topic started by: Dmon3k on May 09, 2014, 01:57:25 PM

Title: Another upkeep question
Post by: Dmon3k on May 09, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
I was playing someone today and ran into a question, I took their word for it during the game, but for my own knowledge wanted to see what the ruling would be in this situation.

I was playing a forcemaster and had several of my oppnent's creatures either charmed or in force holds. There was a Mordor's Obelisk on the field giving all non mage creatures upkeep plus 1.

At the start of the the round I paid my upkeeps to keep my charms/force holds on, my opponent then decided to not pay the upkeep so all his creatures were destroyed.

I thought it was a pretty slick move because I wasted the mana and couldn't get it back, but now I'm left wondering because I can't pay upkeep if there is no creature so should I have waited to see if he paid upkeep on the creature first, should it have been determined by who has initiative since it is a timing issue, or was he right and I'm just stuck dealing with that strategy going forward?

Any clarification would be helpful.
Title: Re: Another upkeep question
Post by: lettucemode on May 09, 2014, 02:17:03 PM
Both upkeep effects happen at the same time, so whoever had initiative would decide. If you had initiative, you could have told him that he must pay/not pay upkeep on his creatures first. If he had initiative then he could/would do what he did.
Title: Re: Another upkeep question
Post by: barriecritzer on May 09, 2014, 03:29:19 PM
Good to know, I honestly don't remember which one of us had initiative.
Title: Re: Another upkeep question
Post by: Shad0w on May 10, 2014, 06:09:49 PM
Both upkeep effects happen at the same time, so whoever had initiative would decide. If you had initiative, you could have told him that he must pay/not pay upkeep on his creatures first. If he had initiative then he could/would do what he did.

Lettuce is correct. Both cards affect the same object at the same time so it wouldfall to initiative