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Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« on: February 07, 2014, 10:51:41 AM »
I assumed repairing a wall was half the purpose of the builder but now I realize that his ability says:  "Remove 1 damage from a Corporeal Conjuration in his zone."

Walls are not in any zone, so does that mean he really can't repair a wall?  If so it's extremely disappointing.

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2014, 11:01:54 AM »
This was asked back in December, but we never got a ruling on it one way or the other.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2014, 11:23:03 AM »
I assumed repairing a wall was half the purpose of the builder but now I realize that his ability says:  "Remove 1 damage from a Corporeal Conjuration in his zone."

Walls are not in any zone, so does that mean he really can't repair a wall?  If so it's extremely disappointing.

If we base it on the official ruling that a guard cant protect a wall because the wall is not in the zone, I would guess a goblin cant repair a wall.

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2014, 04:40:18 PM »
It should be able to. That was the intent but according to the current rules he could not. These kind of things happen when trying to clean up wordings.  :P
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2014, 07:59:18 PM »
as far as targeting walls is concerned with things like range attacks the wall is considered to be part of both of the spaces it touches.  so i would say the the wall could be repaired no prob! half of it IS in the zone!

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2014, 08:11:48 PM »
You are incorrect, drunkensaint. Walls are not part of any zone. The rules on pages 17 and 18 are very clear that a wall is not in any zone. It describes how ranged and melee attacks are still able to target them despite this, but zone attacks and zone effects can not.

Goblin builder's ability as currently written very clearly limits it from affecting walls. It can only use its ability on corporeal conjurations in its zone, and walls are not in any zone.

Arcane Wonders representatives have stated this is an oversight and may change it in the future, but for now the rules prevent it.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2014, 01:21:06 AM »
You are incorrect, drunkensaint. Walls are not part of any zone. The rules on pages 17 and 18 are very clear that a wall is not in any zone. It describes how ranged and melee attacks are still able to target them despite this, but zone attacks and zone effects can not.

Goblin builder's ability as currently written very clearly limits it from affecting walls. It can only use its ability on corporeal conjurations in its zone, and walls are not in any zone.

Arcane Wonders representatives have stated this is an oversight and may change it in the future, but for now the rules prevent it.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2014, 02:07:26 AM »
Apparently a Blue Gremlin was in the office when rules for targeting walls were being written.


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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 02:04:39 PM »
Did this ever change? I have to assume it was intended that the builder could repair a wall.

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2014, 02:54:32 PM »
Did this ever change? I have to assume it was intended that the builder could repair a wall.
the card has not been changed as of yet.

this is a very common issue that comes up with warlord players.

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2014, 04:38:59 PM »
Did this ever change? I have to assume it was intended that the builder could repair a wall.
the card has not been changed as of yet.

this is a very common issue that comes up with warlord players.

I am going to assume from the wording on Otto, and from simple common sense, that is was intended the goblin builder could repair walls, but that they didn't think to clarify that on the original card.

Either way, I would certainly appreciate an update.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2014, 04:41:29 PM by Mrmt »

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2014, 06:36:10 PM »

I am going to assume from the wording on Otto, and from simple common sense, that is was intended the goblin builder could repair walls, but that they didn't think to clarify that on the original card.

Either way, I would certainly appreciate an update.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2014, 06:57:17 PM »
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2014, 02:51:55 AM »
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
Have you ever seen it played in tourneys? To what effect?

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2014, 01:12:33 PM »
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
Have you ever seen it played in tourneys? To what effect?

I have not seen it but that does not mean that somebody some place has not tried.  :P
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