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Mage Wars => Strategy and Tactics => Topic started by: Wildhorn on September 22, 2014, 02:29:46 AM
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To all the Druids out there, in which zone do you normally drop you Vine Tree? Why? Does it change depending of opponent mage?
I am building a Warlord book and I am wondering what is better/easier... Conquer the tree, or Akiro's Hammer + Wall of Pikes (to prevent a simple Wall of Thorns block LoS).
If most druids drop their tree in the starting corner, then obsiously Akiro's Hammer is the best, but if they drop it in either zone next to the starting corner, then Conquer could be achievable if they do not summon a rooted creature in their tree's zone. This would allow to save 4 spellbook points.
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I usually just cast it in my starting corner, because I can cast creatures anywhere I have a vine. :/
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One zone from starting corner.
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I drop it in my starting corner as well.
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One zone from starting corner.
Why?
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where you cast the vine tree doesn't matter since it does not require LoS to deploy.
The starting corner is probably best so that if you need to you can cast a wall and extend it to prevent attacks to the wall.
in another somewhat unrelated topic, never place your graveyard in the corner unless you want to have a rough match.
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where you cast the vine tree doesn't matter since it does not require LoS to deploy.
The starting corner is probably best so that if you need to you can cast a wall and extend it to prevent attacks to the wall.
in another somewhat unrelated topic, never place your graveyard in the corner unless you want to have a rough match.
Actually, it requires LoS to deploy something from the Vine Tree.
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Actually, it requires LoS to deploy something from the Vine Tree.
I can not find anything that would lead to that statement being true. The Druid needs LoS, but I can find nothing that speaks the same for the tree. the supplement speaks only of the druid (p24) and Vine tree is not mentioned anywhere.
It may have been the intention to require LoS, but as it is written it does not. Feel free to correct this stating page and location.
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Actually, it requires LoS to deploy something from the Vine Tree.
I can not find anything that would lead to that statement being true. The Druid needs LoS, but I can find nothing that speaks the same for the tree. the supplement speaks only of the druid (p24) and Vine tree is not mentioned anywhere.
It may have been the intention to require LoS, but as it is written it does not. Feel free to correct this stating page and location.
Check the Spreading Vine text. [blahblahblah] may target a zone containing [blahblahblah].
Targetting require LoS by the rules.
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From Druid vs. Necro Rulesheet
Life springs up in the footsteps of the Druid.Each Deployment Phase, the Druid may place a new Vine
marker in her zone. Or, she may instead place that marker in a zone, or adjacent to a zone, containing a Vine marker she controls. The Druid, and her familiars and tree spawnpoints, can use her Vine markers to
extend the range of vine spells they cast.
From the Codex
Vine markers are a Living conjuration with 1 life, no armor, and they cannot gain armor. Vine markers hinder enemy non-Flying creatures. Any amount of damage will destroy a Vine Marker, regardless of its total life. They can’t be targeted by ranged attacks. Any number of Vine markers can occupy a zone. As the Druid, or a familiar or tree spawnpoint she controls, casts a vine spell, you can destroy a target Vine marker she controls as an additional cost to cast that spell. If you do, you may ignore the range of that spell to target that Vine marker’s zone, an object in that Vine marker’s zone, or a border of that Vine marker’s zone. That vine spell must have a legal target.
When you use deployment you are not targeting, thus LoS is not required when Deploying from the Vine Tree. LoS is required if the Druid were to cast a spell and target a vine marker.
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Darling, stop to argue.
As the Druid, or a familiar or tree spawnpoint she controls, casts a vine spell, you can destroy a target Vine marker she controls as an additional cost to cast that spell. If you do, you may ignore the range of that spell to target that Vine marker’s zone, an object in that Vine marker’s zone, or a border of that Vine marker’s zone.
You need to target the Vine marker and targetting require a LoS. Everybody know it, it is been discussed to death in the Rule Section too.
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Putting a vine marker out does not require LOS.
Casting to a vine marker requires that you target the vine marker.
Targetting requires LOS (i learned that the hard way.)
There is no difference on casting a spell from a spawnpoint in the deployment phass or the mage in the action phase.
Same rules applies - if there ever is an enchantment that can counter equipment similar to nullify then the equipment cast from battle forge can be countered.
So basicly you go through the 3 steps of casting a spell as well when spawnpoints deploy in the deployment phase.
Btw. Divine intervention can already now cancel equipment cast from the forge to the mage by revealling between step 1 and 2 or between step 2 and 3.
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where you cast the vine tree doesn't matter since it does not require LoS to deploy.
The starting corner is probably best so that if you need to you can cast a wall and extend it to prevent attacks to the wall.
in another somewhat unrelated topic, never place your graveyard in the corner unless you want to have a rough match.
I saw that match. Was not pretty
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I've always placed my Vine Tree in my starting corner, but I don't play the Druid that much, so the sum total of my reasoning is that I want it far away from my opponent.
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Starting corner always, in order for it to be the farthest possible to the opponent mshe. Then I run to near to spawn my vines from the center, confront the enemy in their ground.
The druid is resilient from start, able to cast creatures on the go, and hinder enemy with vines, which makes she perfect from early confrontation. If the other mage want to go against the tree, good, the druid and his plants will slow him.
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One zone from starting corner.
Why?
I typically place Samara Tree in starting corner to spawn pods and vines.
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starting corner. every single time. placing an obaque wall in front of it would probably solve a lot of your troubles as well.
edit: and when I cast it, it is usually treebonded, so 2 armor, 12 life and potentially 4 regen. just in case anyone was planning to boulder it to death in one hit...
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starting corner. every single time. placing an obaque wall in front of it would probably solve a lot of your troubles as well.
Indeed but paying 11 mana for a temporary solution I prefer to pay 13 mana (boulder + akiro favor) for a definitive solution. Theorically boulder + Akiro Favor will give an average of 9 damage vs a 1 armor target. Enough to get ride of the tree.
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starting corner. every single time. placing an obaque wall in front of it would probably solve a lot of your troubles as well.
Indeed but paying 11 mana for a temporary solution I prefer to pay 13 mana (boulder + akiro favor) for a definitive solution. Theorically boulder + Akiro Favor will give an average of 9 damage vs a 1 armor target. Enough to get ride of the tree.
In nearly every Druid book the Vine tree will be the target of treebond. So calculate another armor and 4 more innate life into your math equation there. As for the boulder strategy in general Wall of Fog costs only 4 mana, 9 if they wants to extend it.
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Damn you are right, i forgot treebound was buffing the tree too.