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Mage Wars => Alternative Play => Topic started by: Sailor Vulcan on November 11, 2014, 02:25:16 PM
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The purpose of this format is to get people interested in Mage Wars and give them a feel for what the game is like, WITHOUT having to invest half an hour of their time upfront before they even know whether they're interested. It is NOT meant to be a complete tutorial of the game, but rather it is a fun, hands-on introduction.
Procedure
I) Set up everything beforehand. The spellbooks, the arena, the dice, action markers, EVERYTHING. Arena is 2x3 zones. All four 15-point spellbooks are listed below. All mages have an innate 3-dice basic melee attack.
II) Introduce the game: “Mage Wars is a customizable strategy card game in which players take the role of powerful mages and fight to the death in a gladiator-style arena fight.”
III) “Object of the game is to kill the enemy mage. You do this by increasing their damage stat,” (place a red cube on the damage stat at 0) "until it is equal to or greater than their life stat." (place a black cube on the life stat at 24)
IV) “Mana is the magical energy that is used to cast spells.” (Place a black cube on the mana stat at 5) “All mages have the innate ability to gain mana. This ability is called 'channeling'.” *Place a black cube on the channeling stat at 10*
V) Walk the players through the first round:
a. Roll for initiative. Explain how initiative passes back and forth each subsequent round during the initiative phase
b. Channeling phase
c. explain upkeep phase
d. Explain planning phase: "During the planning phase, each player selects spells to cast during the round, and places them on the table face down. Each mage can cast up to two spells per round. A mage's planned spells are placed to the side of the arena."
e. mention the deploy phase and say that this is when spawnpoints like the lair are able to cast spells.
f. explain the quick cast action and quick cast phases
g. explain the action phases, including what you can do with an action phase (don't forget to explain guarding)
When the first spell is cast:
1. Explain the casting step, and how it's different for enchantments (enchantments are cast face down, while other spells are flipped face up when you cast them)
2. Explain how to pay mana costs (and that all enchantments cost 2 mana to cast, but can be revealed later for an additional cost)
3. Explain the parts of the card. When you get to spell type, explain the six types of spells. Then the spell resolves.
VI) Round 2
a. remind players to exchange initiative marker. Explain reset phase. Remind players to channel mana during the channeling phase.
c. if there is a lair in play, explain that spawnpoints can cast spells too and during the planning phase a spawnpoint's controller can plan a spell for the spawnpoint to cast in addition to their mage's planned spells.
VII. Free Play. Explain new information as it comes up, or when a player has a question. Continue until either a mage has died or allotted time runs out. Use life-after-damage as tiebreaker if needed.
Apprentice Level 0 Spellbooks
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Warlock (apprentice lv0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Warlock Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1C03]1 x Dark Pact Slayer[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E08]1 x Death Link[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E09]2 x Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E14]1 x Enfeeble[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E24]1 x Magebane[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I29]1 x Vampiric Strike[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]1 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q06]1 x Dragonscale Hauberk[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Wizard (apprentice lv0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Wizard (Air) Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E28]1 x Mongoose Agility[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]1 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E01]1 x Bear Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E36]1 x Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E23]1 x Jinx[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I07]1 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q33]1 x Wind Wyvern Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q23]1 x Regrowth Belt[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Priestess (apprentice lv0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Priestess Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1A01]1 x Blinding Flash[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J08]1 x Hand of Bim-Shalla[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1C22]1 x Knight of Westlock[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E37]1 x Sacred Ground[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E03]1 x Bull Endurance[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I17]3 x Minor Heal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]1 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Beastmaster (apprentice lv0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Beastmaster Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J10]1 x Lair[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ11]1 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1C04]4 x Bitterwood Fox[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I06]1 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I07]1 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I03]1 x Call of the Wild[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q02]1 x Bearskin[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
I'm planning to use this in a presentation in a couple days. What do you think?
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You may want to find an alternative to the Beastmasters x2 Thunderrift Falcons. None of the other books have a way to attack fliers. Beastmaster has a massive advantage as a result.
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The Wizard is at a severe disadvantage here with only it's own melee attack while every other mage has at least one other creature to attack with.
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The wizard here is meant to tank. I updated the spellbook list.
-removed mana siphon.
-removed leather boots
-added bear strength
-added rhino hide
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In light of the increase in the wizard's armor, I've updated the beastmaster's spellbook.
-removed 1x tanglevine
-removed marked for death
-added dissolve
-added call of the wild
furthermore, i've updated the wizard's spellbook again:
-removed 1x nullify
-added 1x jinx
(the reason for this is that if the beastmaster uses the dispel on anything other than rhino hide, his only chance of beating the wizard would be dissolving his wind wyvern hide. That means that if he decided to get rid of the bear strength he'd be 1 spell away from being completly screwed over, since he has no way of baiting nullify. So I switched out one of the wizard's nullifies for a jinx. Jinx lets the countered spell return to the spellbook and mana gets refunded. It seemed more fair.)
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also, do you think 13 starting life is good, or should i change it to 14 or 15?
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also, do you think 13 starting life is good, or should i change it to 14 or 15?
Statistically at 13 life your Priestess will kill in 2 turns of attacks. Your Beastmaster in 1. Your Warlock in 2. Your Wizard in 3.
Wizard is still pretty weak comparatively and the Priestess is very strong. Knight of Westlock supported by Hand of Bim-Shalla trumps everything else on the list. Warlock has the best shot against it with Agony but Priestess can remove conditions and also has 3 healing spells. Granted a new player may not realize the synergy and utilize the advantage. If the Beastmaster knows to stay back and summon the foxes he can Call of the Wild and kill the enemy mage in a single round. So either the Priestess and the Beastmaster need a nerf or the other two need a buff. More HP would reduce the whoever strikes first wins nature of this variant.
Would be hard to make what is essentially a 5 minute demonstration of basic mechanics competitive.
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also, do you think 13 starting life is good, or should i change it to 14 or 15?
Statistically at 13 life your Priestess will kill in 2 turns of attacks. Your Beastmaster in 1. Your Warlock in 2. Your Wizard in 3.
Wizard is still pretty weak comparatively and the Priestess is very strong. Knight of Westlock supported by Hand of Bim-Shalla trumps everything else on the list. Warlock has the best shot against it with Agony but Priestess can remove conditions and also has 3 healing spells. Granted a new player may not realize the synergy and utilize the advantage. If the Beastmaster knows to stay back and summon the foxes he can Call of the Wild and kill the enemy mage in a single round. So either the Priestess and the Beastmaster need a nerf or the other two need a buff. More HP would reduce the whoever strikes first wins nature of this variant.
Would be hard to make what is essentially a 5 minute demonstration of basic mechanics competitive.
I forgot to mention this format does not use the mage ability cards.
All mages have a basic melee attack of 3 dice.
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I finally realized it would be excruciatingly difficult to make any format where the starting life is less than 24, simply because anything less than that makes luck too much of a factor. With 15 starting life, a priestess with asyran cleric can win in about 3-5 attacks, and doesn't need to sustain him that much. After some consideration, I have been unable to make the format less than 24 life without making the number of cards in the spellbooks too low. The only problem is that I'm not sure these spellbooks can win in 5 rounds or in less than 15 minutes. What do you think?
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The changes you are describing are getting pretty close the normal apprentice spell book rules. Albeit with much smaller spell books and slightly less health. I say just go with the normal apprentice mode for introductory purposes. Not trying to discourage you but if it isn't broken why fix it?
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Because regular apprentice mode takes at least 30 minutes, and most people aren't going to invest that time upfront until they know whether they might be interested. Also, I was planning to present the game to my class for a hw assignment
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For what you are talking about I would recommend an alternative. Chose two mages and pre-select a few spells for each. Show a few scripted turns of play demonstrating multiple mechanics. Answer questions and ask if they are interested enough to try playing. If yes take them aside and play an apprentice game with them or if possible have two new players play against each other. Explain the game as they play and answer questions. Mage Wars is fun and interesting so many people will want to learn on their own. Just provide the tools and guidance without coming off as pushy and you will do fine.
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For what you are talking about I would recommend an alternative. Chose two mages and pre-select a few spells for each. Show a few scripted turns of play demonstrating multiple mechanics. Answer questions and ask if they are interested enough to try playing. If yes take them aside and play an apprentice game with them or if possible have two new players play against each other. Explain the game as they play and answer questions. Mage Wars is fun and interesting so many people will want to learn on their own. Just provide the tools and guidance without coming off as pushy and you will do fine.
That's not interactive, and probably won't last more than 5 minutes. The demonstration of the game needs to be at least over 5 min long and at most 10, but preferably no more than 7 minutes.
If this version of apprentice mode isn't feasible for the purpose I've stated for it, then could you please say explain how and why that is? The main differences between this level of apprentice mode and the regular kind is supposed to be that this one is shorter and a lot less comprehensive, while still giving enough of a feel for the gameplay for someone to know whether they want to invest another half an hour in a full demo. Also, the smaller spellbooks means less analysis paralysis for new players.
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The version you have created overly favors certain mage types. It is not feasible to strike a reliable balance with such low HP mages. Simply put the cards for this game were not designed for the low health format you are proposing. If you cannot see that then nothing further I say will change your mind.
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The version you have created overly favors certain mage types. It is not feasible to strike a reliable balance with such low HP mages. Simply put the cards for this game were not designed for the low health format you are proposing. If you cannot see that then nothing further I say will change your mind.
Um, you did see that I changed it to 24 life, right? I even said that I didn't see any way to do it any less. 24 life is the same life value that's used in regular apprentice mode.
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The version you have created overly favors certain mage types. It is not feasible to strike a reliable balance with such low HP mages. Simply put the cards for this game were not designed for the low health format you are proposing. If you cannot see that then nothing further I say will change your mind.
Um, you did see that I changed it to 24 life, right? I even said that I didn't see any way to do it any less. 24 life is the same life value that's used in regular apprentice mode.
If you are going to make edits unannounced and argue stipulations you have not previously announced then what is the point of asking for advice? Do you want advice or do you like arguing on forums? This whole discussion is pointless.
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I did announce it:
I finally realized it would be excruciatingly difficult to make any format where the starting life is less than 24, simply because anything less than that makes luck too much of a factor. With 15 starting life, a priestess with asyran cleric can win in about 3-5 attacks, and doesn't need to sustain him that much. After some consideration, I have been unable to make the format less than 24 life without making the number of cards in the spellbooks too low. The only problem is that I'm not sure these spellbooks can win in 5 rounds or in less than 15 minutes. What do you think?
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I quoted you to show you how argumentative you were towards my posts. Your new reply illustrates it even better. The unannounced edit I was referring to was when you dropped the Thunderrift Falcons without saying anything about it. The additional stipulations I was referencing was this school project demonstration you randomly added into it. I posted here to help you as everyone else was ignoring your post and my reward was you starting an argument. I now see why noone else posted and I will not be posting on your threads in the future. Good luck in school.
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I really do appreciate your help, and I thank you for it. It was not my intention to sound argumentative.
I'm sorry I forgot to announce that edit earlier. It was late at night and I was planning to announce it in the morning, but I forgot.
The reason I did not mention the class stipulation right away is because of privacy concerns, and because I didn't know at first that it would be relevant.
In the future I will try to communicate better.
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I think you could do it with low HP. Two turns of attacking is exactly what you want in a mini demo. At the end mention the normal game has higher starting life and a bigger map so there is a lot more build up.
I really like having tiny spellbooks for apprentice mode. The big map is not the intimidating part of the game the big spellbooks are.
To balance the lower life, also have low channeling instead of low starting mana. Also I'd change up the archetypes you used a bit. Currently warlock and priestess are too similar, and having a tanky wizard could lead to a slow boring demo. I'd make the warlock solo with a Battleforge and lash of hellfire and one flame blast. I'd give the wizard a bunch of lightning attack spells and no defense besides stunning the opponent. Beastmaster I might give Susruko just because he is so cute.
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I think I'd also consider giving the priestess a wall of stone and the Beastmaster two walls of thorns.
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I took your advice and redesigned all of the spellbooks. Here are the new ones:
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Priestess (apprentice mode lv0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Priestess Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1A01]1 x Blinding Flash[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1W02]1 x Wall of Stone[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1C22]1 x Knight of Westlock[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E37]1 x Sacred Ground[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I17]2 x Minor Heal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]1 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Beastmaster (apprentice mode lv0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Beastmaster Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1W04]2 x Wall of Thorns[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1J03]1 x Tooth and Nail[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1C33]1 x Sosruko, Ferret Companion[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1C04]2 x Bitterwood Fox[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1C37]1 x Thunderift Falcon[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I07]1 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I23]2 x Rouse the Beast[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q02]1 x Bearskin[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q25]1 x Ring of Beasts[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Warlock (apprentice lv 0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Warlock Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E09]1 x Agony[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E31]1 x Poisoned Blood[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E14]1 x Enfeeble[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]1 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q10]1 x Fireshaper Ring[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q14]1 x Lash of Hellfire[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q06]1 x Dragonscale Hauberk[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q21]1 x Moloch's Torment[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1A06]1 x Flameblast[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1J04]1 x Battle Forge[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Wizard (apprentice lv0)[/spellbookname]
[mage]A Wizard (Air) Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E06]1 x Circle of Lightning[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1Q17]1 x Lightning Ring[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1I07]2 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]2 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1A07]2 x Lightning Bolt[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1A03]1 x Electrify[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 15 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
What do you think? Better? Life value is now 16. Channeling is 5. Starting mana is 10.
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Looks decent, although remember you have to explain damage barriers now.
I'd give the wizard two arc lightning's too so he's got some choice with his low channeling.