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New SB deck
« on: June 29, 2016, 12:06:00 PM »
New Beastmaster Book. Enjoy


3 Acid Balls
1 Geyser
2 Mana Flowers
1 Lair
3 Steelclaw Grizzlies
2 Timber wolves
1 Falcons
1 Bitterwood Fox
3 Bear Strengths
2 Lion Savegries
3 Enchant Transfuse
3 Regrowth
2 Nullify
2 Arcane Wards
1 Harmonize
2 Cheeta Speed
2 Moongoose Agility
1 Wolf Fury
1 Divine Protection
1 Bull Endurance
2 Rhino Hide
1 Gator Toughness
2 Eagle Wings
2 Falcon Perscion
2 Akrios Favor
2 Staff of Beasts
1 Regrowth Belts
1 Leather Gloves and pants
2 Chitin
1 Enchanters Ring
1 Teleport
2 Mage Wands
2 Force Push
3 Dissolve
3 Dispel
1 Minor Heal

Opening
Opening

T1
Mana Flower and Harmonize

T2 22 Mana
Lair and enchanters ring

T3
17 Mana 2 On Lair
Lair Deploys Steelclaw Grizzly Enchant with Bear Strength

T4
13 Mana 2 On Lair
Enchant Bear with Transfuse and depending on oppoenent

T5

22 Mana 4 on Lair
Lair Deploys Steelclaw Grizzzly and Pet
Enchant Bear as nesseary

Comments are welcome
« Last Edit: June 29, 2016, 12:25:31 PM by Reddicediaries »
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2016, 12:07:13 PM »
Add 1 Battle Fury
« Last Edit: June 29, 2016, 07:52:44 PM by Reddicediaries »
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 12:08:58 PM »
And add 2 Rouse the beasts
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 02:34:18 PM »
Why three grizzlies? Have you ever been able to summon all three in one game?


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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2016, 04:37:05 PM »
Haven't used the deck yet. I might remove 2 sbp to add a mana crystal, it's much more survivable than the flowers. Also depending on the opponent, I might add a tegu or two and make it the pet.
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 10:45:21 PM »
Honestly, harmonizing yourself by full casting the spell on yourself is literally the most expensive form of gaining one channelling. I get what you are doing, i really do, but it doesn't serve as an effective bluff because you have to reveal it almost immediately to gain its benefits. 6 mana is a lot to pay for that channel bonus. I would stick to using harmonize on the lair instead and if you gotta get that channel up use crystals or flowers. Just my opinion though. Do you
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 04:11:48 AM »
I think your mana planning is a bit off.
If you stick to your opnening plan, my math goes as follows:

T1: 19
Mana Flower (14) + Harmonize (8 )

T2: 19
Lair (4) + Enhanter's Ring (2)

T3: 13 +2 on Lair
This is not enough to deploy a Grizzly.

You could go:
T1: 19
Lair (4) + Harmonize Lair (0)

T2: 9 + 3 on Lair
Enchanter's Ring (7) + Enchantment on BM (Bearstrength or Enchantment Transfusion for expample) (6)

T3: 15 + 6 on Lair
Deploy Grizzly (4) + Enchant twice (1)

You'd get out the Grizzly on T3, but lack channeling.

Without Channeling boosters, you'll sit at 36 mana T3. Lair + Grizzly alread cost 32 mana. So you have 4 mana left. Depending on when you play the Lair, it refounds 2 or 4 mana. Say you play it on T1, leaving you with 8 mana and 5 quick actions until end of T3. you probably don't want to waste any of them, so you got to think cheap. Enchanter's Ring only is 2 mana (and a quick action), but gives you basically channeling +1 if you enchant something every round. Harmonize (on Lair) is 4 mana and gives you channeling +1 as long as the Lair lives and you don't tun out of creatures. Harmonize on your mage is 6 mana and gives you channeling +1 until the first Purge Magic.
If you think you can afford to waste some actions, consider using Decoy with Enchanter's ring.

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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 10:09:02 AM »
OK see the confusion. I meant harmonize the flower. That's why I want to add a cryatal, much more survivable.
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 10:52:08 AM »
OK see the confusion. I meant harmonize the flower. That's why I want to add a cryatal, much more survivable.

[mwcard=MW1E20]Harmonize[/mwcard] can't target a [mwcard=MW1J13]Mana Flower[/mwcard] (or [mwcard=MW1J12]Mana Crystal[/mwcard]) because the Flower (or Crystal) doesn't have Channeling. It merely increases your mage's Channeling.
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 11:06:24 AM »
ah, good to know. In that case maybe only cast flower on T1?
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 11:23:51 AM »
New Opening


T1
19 Mana
Mana Flower

T2
24 Mana
Lair

T3
19 Mana 2 on Lair
Deploy Grizzly Leaves me at 4
Cast enchanters ring

T4
12 Mana 2 on Lair
Double enchants as nessary

T5 19 Mana 4 on Lair
Lair Deploys Grizzly and pet leaves me at 4
Double Enchant
« Last Edit: June 30, 2016, 11:43:31 AM by Reddicediaries »
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 12:29:05 PM »
Hi reddicediaries,

Some thougths :

Personally I would not summon Steelclaws from a lair.
That's 32 mana you've spent there to get 1 Grizzly on the table.
 
I'd rather let my BM summon them and have 2 Grizzlies for 34 mana.
With a Ring of Beasts you have your ring +2 SG for the same 34 mana.

Playing Mana Flowers/Crystals usually means you're going for a medium/long game, which I'm not sure you're going for here. Steelclaws equals aggro approach imo, thus, short game.

When playing a lair I'd suggest to use it to summon cheap/medium priced animals so you can summon one (nearly) every round. Steelclaws do not qualify for this approach imo.

I also noticed you have a ton of enchantments in there. I doubt you will need them if played agressively.
The Grizzlies can hit hard without any enchantments on them.

I'd suggest to concentrate more on getting your grizzlies in the right spot to attack the enemy mage asap and prevent him from escaping. The game should/could be over before you have any need for all those enchantments.

So when I see 3 Grizzlies in your book I assume you're thinking along these lines :
- Get to NC fast
- Summon 2 Grizzlies
- Bring them in striking range
- Support them for a couple of rounds so they can do their job
- finish the enemy with a bang

The opening could go like :

T1 - 19
Double move to NC
QC Rhino Hide or Brace Yourself

T2 - 26
QC Ring of Beasts
FC Steelclaw1

T3 - 17
Move S1 to FarCenter and guard
FC  Steelclaw2

T4 - 10
QC Cascading force wave and move both Grizzlies forward ( and possibly in striking range )
From there on, rather than play enchantments on them select spells that support them doing what they do best and counter your enemy.
You can't go wrong having a Dispel ready ( preferably on a Mage Wand :) )

Battle Fury is 5 mana for a 5 dice attack, it takes Bear Strength 2.5 rounds and 3 attacks to equal that.

Teleport, Force Push and Tanglevine will be great help

Any healing spells and regeneration effects do not contribute to your strategy or are too slow to have any effect.
You should try to win a damage race against your opponent, not outheal him ;)
Minor Heal is just too "minor" an effect in this situation to waste an action on.
If you really want a healing spell, I can see [mwcard=MW1I14] Heal[/mwcard] being more useful here as it fits right into your channeling rate ( 9 ) and it can provide 8 dice worth of healing which is more worth the QC you'll spend on it.

Hope this was of any help.
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« Last Edit: June 30, 2016, 01:11:47 PM by Borg »
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 12:55:31 PM »
Thanks for insightful response Borg! Much obliged! The opening you suggested does seem better as I will not be using the lair very much other than the grizzlies.
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 06:21:02 PM »
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Re: New SB deck
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2016, 11:08:59 AM »
Finally I got it to work with some help from my tech master of a brother. Borg, I think I'll try the opening you sugested, although I might enchant myself with decoy. Enjoy, comments are still welcome and apreciated!

[spellbook]
[spellbookheader]
[spellbookname]Grizzlies![/spellbookname]
[mage]A Beastmaster Spellbook[/mage]
[mage]built by the OCTGN SBB[/mage]
[/spellbookheader]
[spells]
[spellclass]Attack[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNA01]3 x Acid Ball[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1A08]1 x Geyser[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWA04]1 x Hurl Boulder[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX1CKA01]1 x Surging Wave[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Conjuration[/spellclass]
[mwcard=DNJ10]1 x Stranglevine[/mwcard]
[mwcard=DNJ11]2 x Tanglevine[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Creature[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1C34]3 x Steelclaw Grizzly[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWA01C17]2 x Steelclaw Cub[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Enchantment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MW1E01]1 x Bear Strength[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E32]1 x Regrowth[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E29]3 x Nullify[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E13]1 x Eagle Wings[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E25]1 x Maim Wings[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E36]1 x Rhino Hide[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E28]2 x Mongoose Agility[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E05]2 x Cheetah Speed[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE02]1 x Akiro's Favor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE06]1 x Lion Savagery[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWBD1E01]2 x Astral Anchor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWSTX2FFE04]1 x Brace Yourself[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1E10]1 x Decoy[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Equipment[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MWA01Q04]1 x Leather Chausses[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MWPROMO34]2 x Chitin Armor[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q19]2 x Mage Wand[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1Q25]1 x Ring of Beasts[/mwcard]
[spellclass]Incantation[/spellclass]
[mwcard=MWBG1I01]2 x Cascading Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI04]1 x Force Wave[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I12]3 x Force Push[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI14]1 x Heal[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I28]2 x Teleport[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I02]2 x Battle Fury[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I07]3 x Dissolve[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I06]4 x Dispel[/mwcard]
[mwcard=MW1I15]1 x Knockdown[/mwcard]
[mwcard=FWI13]1 x Seeking Dispel[/mwcard]
[/spells]
[cost]Total cost: 120 pts[/cost]
[/spellbook]
« Last Edit: July 01, 2016, 02:00:41 PM by Reddicediaries »
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