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Title: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 02, 2013, 10:05:33 PM
Check in often to see some of the new spells from the upcoming Forcemaster vs Warlord expansion...
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 02, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
OK guys. Very funny. Who put the bull's-eye on my back?

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Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koy on February 03, 2013, 12:40:54 AM
I am very interested to see what Cantrips do to the game!  I also agree with you... This card should have been named Bullseye Standard.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Preacher on February 03, 2013, 02:31:06 AM
From the facebook page :

The keyword "Cantrip" allows the spell to be placed back in your Spellbook if it is destroyed.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: krj on February 03, 2013, 05:47:31 AM
All OTHER friendly creatures...

... so is that mean that non-living, incorporeal friendly creatures in this zone also will get melee+1 and armor +1 ?
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Gewar on February 03, 2013, 06:39:35 AM
Quote from: "krj" post=7032
All OTHER friendly creatures...

... so is that mean that non-living, incorporeal friendly creatures in this zone also will get melee+1 and armor +1 ?


Incorporeal creatures (and Earth Elemental :P) can never get armor - they just ignore every effect that gives them armor. But nothing stops them from getting melee +1.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: LumberjackJim on February 03, 2013, 10:16:33 AM
Both of the new mages are looking like so much fun, I don't know who I want to play more!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: krj on February 03, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: "Gewar" post=7034
Quote from: "krj" post=7032
All OTHER friendly creatures...

... so is that mean that non-living, incorporeal friendly creatures in this zone also will get melee+1 and armor +1 ?


Incorporeal creatures (and Earth Elemental :P) can never get armor - they just ignore every effect that gives them armor. But nothing stops them from getting melee +1.


i know that rule (Earth Elemental is corporeal and i'm quite sure that nowhere is said that it cannot get armor or melee). but  why they didn't mentioned on the card something like this: "All Other living (or corporeal) friendly creatures..."? i don't see the reason why or maybe it's just possible :D
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Gewar on February 03, 2013, 01:29:23 PM
Quote from: "krj" post=7040
Quote from: "Gewar" post=7034
Quote from: "krj" post=7032
All OTHER friendly creatures...

... so is that mean that non-living, incorporeal friendly creatures in this zone also will get melee+1 and armor +1 ?


Incorporeal creatures (and Earth Elemental :P) can never get armor - they just ignore every effect that gives them armor. But nothing stops them from getting melee +1.


i know that rule (Earth Elemental is corporeal and i'm quite sure that nowhere is said that it cannot get armor or melee). but  why they didn't mentioned on the card something like this: "All Other living (or corporeal) friendly creatures..."? i don't see the reason why or maybe it's just possible :D


Stating that creatures have to be corporeal would be redurat to the rules of incorporeal creatures. So there is no reason to state that only corporeal creatures would get armor.
For Earth Elemental - there is no rule preventing it form getting an armor bonus. But I suspect that there will be in revised rules, since its armor symbol has red line across it and other corporeal creatures has value of 0 (ie. Fellella).
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: krj on February 03, 2013, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: "Gewar" post=7044
since its armor symbol has red line across it and other corporeal creatures has value of 0 (ie. Fellella)..


good point! :)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koy on February 03, 2013, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: "Preacher" post=7030
From the facebook page :

The keyword "Cantrip" allows the spell to be placed back in your Spellbook if it is destroyed.


Ah yes, I meant I am curious to see what this new type of card does to the game, not what the trait meant.  So far I've only seen the Cantrip trait on two cards, both of them Mage specific.  Might not be a common trait?

Thank you though, Preacher!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 04, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7025
Check in often to see some of the new spells from the upcoming Forcemaster vs Warlord expansion...


If this is the thread you'll be posting to, could you pin it please?  :)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Shad0w on February 04, 2013, 03:56:44 PM
Sticky applied during upkeep  :cheer: step
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 06, 2013, 09:19:41 AM
Soooo, not to be "that guy", but what exactly does "check in often" mean here?  Every 5 or 6 days?   :P
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: paradox22 on February 06, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
Neeeeed MORE SPOILERS!!!!! :woohoo:  :woohoo:  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 08, 2013, 09:52:15 AM
Here you go folks! Sorry for the delay. Will post two spells daily until the release

Enjoy Thoughtspore and Selesius!


[attachment=105]Thoughtspore300pxBGG.png[/attachment]

[attachment=106]SelesiustheEastWindBGG300px.png[/attachment]
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Tacullu64 on February 08, 2013, 09:58:06 AM
Thanks for the effort but Thoughtspore and Sesius have already been posted on Facebook.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: klempad on February 08, 2013, 10:10:05 AM
But not all of us have FaceBook.  :blush:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 08, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: "Tacullu64" post=7287
Thanks for the effort but Thoughtspore and Sesius have already been posted on Facebook.


Yup, let's see some new stuff :)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 08, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
Wow that Thoughtspore! That's a card that will see play! I love the artwork! That is a very creative design I cant wait to see more!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Tacullu64 on February 08, 2013, 10:20:15 AM
Quote from: "klempad" post=7288
But not all of us have FaceBook.  :blush:


Ok, I never even considered that. It seems so omnipresent, I'm constantly avoiding it. :silly:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: theduke850 on February 08, 2013, 10:53:43 AM
I just wanted to say that in all seriousness I've had enough spoilers, I know there are some that would like to have the entire contents spoiled before the release, but I'm satisfied with what I've seen and would like to have some surprises when I get the box.  

now I know some people will say that I just shouldn't look, but that is like telling a glutton to only eat what they want then sitting them in front of an all you can eat buffet.  I have no will power, I will look.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: dkartzinel on February 08, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
I have to agree actually, it take some of the anticipation out of it when you can see the entire thing coming before you even get the box.  And yeah.  I'm not going to be able to ignore spoilers either.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 08, 2013, 12:02:24 PM
Quote from: "theduke850" post=7293
I just wanted to say that in all seriousness I've had enough spoilers, I know there are some that would like to have the entire contents spoiled before the release, but I'm satisfied with what I've seen and would like to have some surprises when I get the box.  

now I know some people will say that I just shouldn't look, but that is like telling a glutton to only eat what they want then sitting them in front of an all you can eat buffet.  I have no will power, I will look.


So you think that those of us that actually do want to see the spoilers should be denied that option because you can't control your impulses?  That seems fair how?  Lol, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I've just never understood this complaint.  It's not our fault you can't help yourself.  We shouldn't be penalized for your weakness  :P
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Tacullu64 on February 08, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
Quote from: "theduke850" post=7293
I just wanted to say that in all seriousness I've had enough spoilers, I know there are some that would like to have the entire contents spoiled before the release, but I'm satisfied with what I've seen and would like to have some surprises when I get the box.  

now I know some people will say that I just shouldn't look, but that is like telling a glutton to only eat what they want then sitting them in front of an all you can eat buffet.  I have no will power, I will look.


I hope they read your post and take some time to give it the respectful consideration it deserves and then continue on with the previews. :huh:

You see I've got no willpower too, and I'm in a mood to indulge myself. :woohoo:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 08, 2013, 12:20:42 PM
I don't remember them saying there were going to spoil the whole set...
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: theduke850 on February 08, 2013, 12:49:14 PM
I'm glad no one is taking my previous post too seriously. I was simply stating my feelings and in no way am I expecting them to actually cut off all previews/spoilers... I think Koz's head would explode if they did that :P

I'm just saying that I'm already satisfied and eagerly anticipating the release date
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: paradox22 on February 09, 2013, 01:52:01 AM
Spoiler request for the Archer’s Watchtower pleeeeaaaase! ;)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 09, 2013, 09:34:04 AM
Here you go...

[attachment=107]ArchersWatchtower300px.png[/attachment]


[attachment=108]WhirlingStrike300px.png[/attachment]
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 09, 2013, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7323
Here you go...

[attachment=107]ArchersWatchtower300px.png[/attachment]


[attachment=108]WhirlingStrike300px.png[/attachment]


Wow, both of those are really cool.  I was hoping there was going to be an action card (or Enchantment card) that granted some form of Sweeping and here it is.  It's pretty expensive though, but can be quite the handy tool for melee orientated mages (or big creatures).  Nice.

Like the Archer's Watchtower too.  Can we get a clarification on how Indirect works?  I'm assuming it just lets the shots bypass walls, but there may be more to it.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 09, 2013, 10:23:23 AM
Also, can I put a request in for one of the spoilers tomorrow?  If there is a familiar for Holy Mages, I'd love to see that  :silly:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: BR3AKR on February 09, 2013, 11:43:58 AM
I got three spoilers out of today, I don't know if I can be any happier! :) This expansion is looking fantastic. Thanks AW!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: paradox22 on February 09, 2013, 11:52:22 PM
Quote from: "Koz" post=7325
Also, can I put a request in for one of the spoilers tomorrow?  If there is a familiar for Holy Mages, I'd love to see that  :silly:


Holy familiar seconded!  :cheer:

Also, thanks for the archers tower spoiler!  My dreams of a "gunline" spell book to conquer the world are comming to fruition!  Bwa ha ha ha hahahah! :evil:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 10, 2013, 11:03:39 AM
[attachment=109]Galvitarv2300.jpg[/attachment]

Folks, here is the correct version of Galvitar. I apologize for any confusion, but the correct mana cost is 11. More spoilers to come today! Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: kailas on February 10, 2013, 12:22:09 PM
Hello! This is my first post, i followed this forum more than a month, started then I got my game. Game is wonderful and super awesome, community is helpful and friendly, always find my answers here, Bryan is the man and now this, spoilers, Patrick we love them!

If someone asked me what card to be spoiled, TRAPS, any kind of them.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 10, 2013, 05:24:06 PM
Whirling strike looks to be a very powerful card! I know when my opponent has been pumping up his warlock to do nine damage dice for a quick attack....I would hate to see this played on top of that! And boy look at that Galvitar, Force Blade! It makes me want to say."Whats that? Mana Siphon first turn? How cute." God I cant wait any longer for this!!!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 10, 2013, 08:52:31 PM
Here you go folks, true spoilers. A Mage Wars forums exclusive, not on FB or BGG!


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Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Dre2Dee2 on February 10, 2013, 09:30:24 PM
Oh sweet! Is it the 18th yet?!  :cheer:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Tacullu64 on February 10, 2013, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: "Dre2Dee2" post=7345
Oh sweet! Is it the 18th yet?!  :cheer:


I wish. But, that is just the day it ships from the distributors, thus starting the longest 2 days of the month waiting for them to arrive.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Bodashes911 on February 11, 2013, 06:26:35 PM
Are there multiple thoughtspores? It's not legendary or epic. Could be awesome to have more than one
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: baronzaltor on February 11, 2013, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: "Bodashes911" post=7371
Are there multiple thoughtspores? It's not legendary or epic. Could be awesome to have more than one


Yep.  4 Thoughtspores + 4 Power Strikes= Spend 4 mana for +8 attack dice every turn.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 11, 2013, 10:35:05 PM
Two more. Enjoy!




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[attachment=121]StealEquipmenta300px.png[/attachment]
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 11, 2013, 11:10:05 PM
Wow. Earthquake is quite the card. Its kind of seems like a big F-U to the priestess! Its a wall/temple/spawn point slayer! Steal Equipment is nice, although I fell most of the time if my opponent has something I want to use its often specific to a mage type, with anything else it might not be worth the mana.(anything with spellbind would be nice) I think I would be using this as more of a back up dissolve then anything else, but the option is nice.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Dre2Dee2 on February 12, 2013, 08:18:05 AM
Wowow, Earthquaaaake!  :silly:

Nice to have a direct conjuration counter, and it seems pretty balanced. I find it interesting that it's an earth spell but that the Warlord has a lot of conjurations himself... some good decision making will be had for sure.  ;)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: theduke850 on February 12, 2013, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: "DarthDadaD20" post=7380
I fell most of the time if my opponent has something I want to use its often specific to a mage type


that makes me wonder, the mage specific limitations are always grey... so are they only limitations to deck building? does that limitation carry over once the equipment is in play?
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Shad0w on February 12, 2013, 10:32:53 AM
Limits equipping and targeting
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: theduke850 on February 12, 2013, 11:16:13 AM
ah, yeah, rereading Steal Equipment I see it specifically refers to legally attaching equipment... makes sense. thanks
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: halvor on February 12, 2013, 11:30:27 AM
Interesting, an incantation that does damage. The damage is only to conjurations but still.You could put this on a raven to cast or put it on a mage wand to cast multiple times. However, 9 mana is a ton of mana so I don't think anyone one is going to cast this more than 2-3 times a game. People call this a conjuration killer but it only is a 4 dice attack and most conjurations have armor. And since it can target the zone your are in and up to two zones, that is only attacking 3 conjurations. The way I see it, this softens the conjurations up, slam takes a majority of units out of guard and then you come in with the rest of your army.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Shad0w on February 12, 2013, 02:31:55 PM
Currently we have no way to get more than 1 spell on familiars.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 12, 2013, 10:29:27 PM
Two more for your viewing pleasure...


[attachment=118]GoblinBuilder300px.png[/attachment]


[attachment=119]RingofCommand300px.png[/attachment]
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Dre2Dee2 on February 12, 2013, 10:33:46 PM
Awesome! I'm loving all the options the warlord has  :cheer:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: paradox22 on February 13, 2013, 01:00:11 AM
How does the goblin familiar cast conjurations when he doesnt have a mana score?  Am I missing something here?   :blink:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Gewar on February 13, 2013, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7410
Two more for your viewing pleasure...


[attachment=118]GoblinBuilder300px.png[/attachment]


[attachment=119]RingofCommand300px.png[/attachment]


Familiar without channelling - again, nice thinking outside the box. No Harmonise for him. Full action to cast conjuration still allows you to cast one Zone Exlusive and Walls around the same Zone (goblin can make use of Extandable trait, right?).
Warlord will surelly have tought way to get some extra mana - tripple cost in spellpoints for Arcane spells (Mana Crystal, Moonglow Amulet, Harmonise). Mana Flower is Zone Exlusive, so Warlord should double think, if he prefers it over siege engine or outpost. Familiar without chaneling. His Spawnpoint is even more valuable now.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 13, 2013, 01:32:30 AM
A way to heal conjurations! I like it!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Sausageman on February 13, 2013, 06:25:59 AM
Quote from: "paradox22" post=7427
How does the goblin familiar cast conjurations when he doesnt have a mana score?  Am I missing something here?   :blink:

Does the caster not supplement the cost as he does with spawnpoints?  So in this case, pays for the whole thing  :)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: halvor on February 13, 2013, 07:42:09 AM
Gewar, familiar can't cast two spells in the same turn. They only have one action marker. So they could either cast walls or a zone exclusive. However, if you do cast a wall, you should be able to extend it.

I love that the goblin does not channel mana, it makes him nice and cheap so you can use him to repair and cast his additional spell.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Gewar on February 13, 2013, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: "halvor" post=7438
Gewar, familiar can't cast two spells in the same turn.


My bad - I forgot half of the sentence.
What I meant, with full action casting, Goblin can either cast or move. So if you plann to cast Zone Exlusive conjuration, you can do so only every other turn. But you could still cast Zone Exclusive conjuration in one turn and Wall in the other, without having to move.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 13, 2013, 09:54:41 AM
Man I love goblins and this one is really wonderful. I'm also digging the design of that Warlord ring, visually that is.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 13, 2013, 11:23:59 AM
Hmmm, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't like the Goblin Familiar much.  He's ok, but not that great.  Yes, he's cheap, but he has way more limitations than I think I'm comfortable with.  He's very slow since he takes a full action to cast the conjurations and they have to be in his zone and he has no channeling trait.  And, as Gwar pointed out, the Warlord is going to have mana issues due to the fact that he pays triple for Arcane spells (ouch), so the extra action(s) granted by this familiar are only so useful because I have the feeling that the Warlord will be mana starved.  

Add in the fact that pretty much most conjurations that he can cast are Zone Exclusive and I think he will quickly run out of things to do.  Repair conjurations?  Blah.  Are people really wasting a lot of time and effort attacking conjurations?  It almost never happens in my games because it tends to be a HORRIBLE waste of resources.  Sure, there are some new cards in this set that MAY make it economical to attack conjurations, but most of those will smash conjurations so quickly that one point of healing isn't going to help.  

Sorry to be a downer on this one, but I don't think it's that great.  Not useless and is probably worth throwing one in a build (maybe), but not that great.  Least favorite familiar by far.

Now...can we see the Holy Mage Familiar please?  Pretty, pretty please?   :)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: sIKE on February 13, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
Yes pretty pretty please!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: halvor on February 13, 2013, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: "Koz" post=7446
And, as Gwar pointed out, the Warlord is going to have mana issues due to the fact that he pays triple for Arcane spells (ouch), so the extra action(s) granted by this familiar are only so useful because I have the feeling that the Warlord will be mana starved.  


You can always have him take mana flowers which will only be 2 spell points. I only have one or two mana generators on the table most games so I don't think it will be as starved as you think. Also the barracks generates mana based on number of outposts so if the mage casts two outposts and the goblin put down the barracks, you will ramp up faster.

or you use the goblin to put a cheap temple up to boost your Temple of light.

Lastly does anyone know what the card means when it says "not attached to an object?"
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 13, 2013, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: "halvor" post=7448
Quote from: "Koz" post=7446
And, as Gwar pointed out, the Warlord is going to have mana issues due to the fact that he pays triple for Arcane spells (ouch), so the extra action(s) granted by this familiar are only so useful because I have the feeling that the Warlord will be mana starved.  


You can always have him take mana flowers which will only be 2 spell points. I only have one or two mana generators on the table most games so I don't think it will be as starved as you think. Also the barracks generates mana based on number of outposts so if the mage casts two outposts and the goblin put down the barracks, you will ramp up faster.

or you use the goblin to put a cheap temple up to boost your Temple of light.

Lastly does anyone know what the card means when it says "not attached to an object?"


It means the Goblin can't cast things like Tanglevine.

The Warlord using Mana Flowers just seems...weird... to me.  That's not very thematic, but obviously playable mechanically.  Plus, the Warlord seems very conjuration heavy so it's not like he has tons of space on the board to drop stuff like a normal mage does.  If he takes up a spot or two with Mana Crystals/Flowers then he has less room for his Outposts and siege machines, which makes it a painful option for him.  He could make up for this lack of space by using Harmonize and Moonglow Amulet but he pays triple for that stuff, which sucks (but he can still use it).  Add in the facts that his familiar produces no mana and he only has a base channeling of 9 and...yeah...he seems like he will be a bit starved for mana.  

Hell, even his "mana saving ring" is more expensive than any of the other mages which tells me that they designed him to have a harder time generating mana than the other mages.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Gewar on February 13, 2013, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: "halvor" post=7448
Lastly does anyone know what the card means when it says "not attached to an object?"


It means that you can't cast conjuration such as Tanglevine, which has "creature" as legal target in it's casting line. "Object" is other card that lasts in a game (creature, conjuration).
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 13, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
Does anyone know if the actual forcemaster or warlord have been spoiled yet?
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 13, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7462
Does anyone know if the actual forcemaster or warlord have been spoiled yet?


Yes, they were in a pod cast online.  Someone summarized the spoiled cards there: http://zacgaming.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/forcemaster-and-warlord-previews/
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: baronzaltor on February 13, 2013, 05:00:44 PM
Goblin Familiar is cool in that he is the only familiar not specific to a mage.  Anyone can use him to build and repair conjurations.  Its also handy that he places conjurations to his zone, so you can use him to put stuff in other places on the board or to put up walls.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 13, 2013, 11:41:58 PM
Two more to discuss...


[attachment=136]DancingScimitar300px.png[/attachment]


[attachment=137]Psylok300px.png[/attachment]
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: paradox22 on February 14, 2013, 12:21:47 AM
I love the utility of the dancing scimitar!  Very cool card design.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Charmyna on February 14, 2013, 04:48:23 AM
I dont have the rulebook with me, but is there something that prevents you from using multiple dancing scimitars at the same time? They dont occupy an equipment slot, so that doesnt prevent it. I know you cant cast two enchantments with the same name on one creature, but does this rule also apply to equipment?

Btw what happens if I charm a creature and then attack it with the scimitar? Does that break the charm? I assume not, since the scimitar is autonomous. But need to know how exactly that is defined.

Edit: I just answered my own question :P. From the rulebook page 20: "You may not have more than one equipment spell with the same name attached to your Mage at any time."
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 14, 2013, 12:18:13 PM
Nice. I can't wait to see what other autonomous cards are in store! The sword is an oldie but goodie from my D & D days.

Also, did anyone else read Frylock instead of Psylok? It's even a similar shape and shooting lighting from it's eye...
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 14, 2013, 12:20:24 PM
Speaking of eyes, what is that eye symbol in the attack line?
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 14, 2013, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: "Koz" post=7465
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7462
Does anyone know if the actual forcemaster or warlord have been spoiled yet?


Yes, they were in a pod cast online.  Someone summarized the spoiled cards there: http://zacgaming.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/forcemaster-and-warlord-previews/


Thanks for this. It's got some stuff that I most wanted to see, namely the mages themselves.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 14, 2013, 04:27:13 PM
They eye is in the area that belongs to Damage Type. Im going to guess physic.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Shad0w on February 14, 2013, 05:23:37 PM
Quote from: "Charmyna" post=7487
I dont have the rulebook with me, but is there something that prevents you from using multiple dancing scimitars at the same time? They dont occupy an equipment slot, so that doesnt prevent it. I know you cant cast two enchantments with the same name on one creature, but does this rule also apply to equipment?

Btw what happens if I charm a creature and then attack it with the scimitar? Does that break the charm? I assume not, since the scimitar is autonomous. But need to know how exactly that is defined.

Edit: I just answered my own question :P. From the rulebook page 20: "You may not have more than one equipment spell with the same name attached to your Mage at any time."



EQUIPMENT
You may not have more than one equipment spell with the same name attached to your Mage at any time.

ENCHANTMENTS
There is no limit to the number of different enchantments that can be on an object, but each object or zone cannot have more than one enchantment with the same name attached to it at one time.

CONJURATIONS
An object may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. A zone may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it.

Object
Enchantments, equipment, creatures, and conjurations are spells which become objects in the game, remaining in play after they are cast. The Mage is also considered an object. Incantation and attack spells do not become objects.

I hope that helps. ;)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 14, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
A couple more spells to pique your interest...


[attachment=138]CircleofFire300px.png[/attachment]


[attachment=139]ManglerCaltrops300px.png[/attachment]
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 14, 2013, 11:54:12 PM
There is just something about Caltrops in general that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Gewar on February 14, 2013, 11:56:36 PM
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7530
[attachment=138]CircleofFire300px.png[/attachment]


Is that female Warlock on this art?
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 15, 2013, 07:36:21 AM
Quote from: "DarthDadaD20" post=7531
There is just something about Caltrops in general that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.


That they're not limited to 1 per zone is making me want to try a pile of them in my spell book.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Shad0w on February 15, 2013, 08:10:23 AM
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7537
Quote from: "DarthDadaD20" post=7531
There is just something about Caltrops in general that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.


That they're not limited to 1 per zone is making me want to try a pile of them in my spell book.


Locus remember that

An object may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. A zone may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. :P

No pointy zone of death for you :lol:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 15, 2013, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: "Gewar" post=7532
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7530
[attachment=138]CircleofFire300px.png[/attachment]


Is that female Warlock on this art?

No. The damage barrier gives you +2 breast. If you read the flavor text it states:The breast snarled and snapped in fury, but none would cross its path........Im sorry :silly:  Im done....im done.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 15, 2013, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: "Shad0w" post=7538
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7537
Quote from: "DarthDadaD20" post=7531
There is just something about Caltrops in general that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.


That they're not limited to 1 per zone is making me want to try a pile of them in my spell book.


Locus remember that

An object may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. A zone may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. :P



No pointy zone of death for you :lol:


GAH! You're too right.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: baronzaltor on February 15, 2013, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7546
Quote from: "Shad0w" post=7538
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7537
Quote from: "DarthDadaD20" post=7531
There is just something about Caltrops in general that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.


That they're not limited to 1 per zone is making me want to try a pile of them in my spell book.


Locus remember that

An object may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. A zone may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. :P



No pointy zone of death for you :lol:


GAH! You're too right.


You COULD however caltrop a zone and put a Poison Gas Cloud on it for double pain.  Can pretty much ruin a Lair.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 15, 2013, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: "baronzaltor" post=7553
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7546
Quote from: "Shad0w" post=7538
Quote from: "Locusshifter" post=7537
Quote from: "DarthDadaD20" post=7531
There is just something about Caltrops in general that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.


That they're not limited to 1 per zone is making me want to try a pile of them in my spell book.


Locus remember that

An object may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. A zone may never have multiple conjurations with the same name attached to it. :P



No pointy zone of death for you :lol:


GAH! You're too right.


You COULD however caltrop a zone and put a Poison Gas Cloud on it for double pain.  Can pretty much ruin a Lair.


I'm now thinking of caltrops as the preverbial straw. I still like them, very much.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: ghbell on February 15, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: "theduke850" post=7293
I just wanted to say that in all seriousness I've had enough spoilers, I know there are some that would like to have the entire contents spoiled before the release, but I'm satisfied with what I've seen and would like to have some surprises when I get the box.  

now I know some people will say that I just shouldn't look, but that is like telling a glutton to only eat what they want then sitting them in front of an all you can eat buffet.  I have no will power, I will look.


Dude.....  Speak for yourself.  I want to see it all.  Don't look if you don't want to see it.  Some of the stuff is very cool.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: theduke850 on February 15, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Quote from: "ghbell" post=7564
Quote from: "theduke850" post=7293
I just wanted to say that in all seriousness I've had enough spoilers, I know there are some that would like to have the entire contents spoiled before the release, but I'm satisfied with what I've seen and would like to have some surprises when I get the box.  

now I know some people will say that I just shouldn't look, but that is like telling a glutton to only eat what they want then sitting them in front of an all you can eat buffet.  I have no will power, I will look.


Dude.....  Speak for yourself.  I want to see it all.  Don't look if you don't want to see it.  Some of the stuff is very cool.


I thought I was speaking for myself... maybe I didn't use the word "I" enough?  and yes, I'm still looking... I said I would.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: baronzaltor on February 16, 2013, 02:18:22 AM
Well, the set is out in 2-4 days... so at this point its more of a "heads up" than a spoiler.  Cat is out of the bag by the 20th regardless.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Dre2Dee2 on February 17, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7530
A couple more spells to pique your interest...


[attachment=138]CircleofFire300px.png[/attachment]


[attachment=139]ManglerCaltrops300px.png[/attachment]


OMG THE ART  :woohoo:

Circe of Fire art is AWESOME, love the art of this game, GJ MW  :)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: shapeshifter on February 18, 2013, 04:20:11 AM
Ive already preordered and am pumped for this expansion.
excited for the new mages and the upgrades to existing mages

Until then, please dont stop the previews.
i live in England, and not certain when it will arrive here.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Sausageman on February 18, 2013, 06:19:12 AM
Quote from: "shapeshifter" post=7635
Ive already preordered...i live in England, and not certain when it will arrive here.

Where did you pre-order it from - straight from Arcane Wonders?  Cos I can't find any retailers accepting pre-orders...
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 18, 2013, 09:51:25 AM
So can we get the rest of the spoilers now that the set is almost out?  Some of us won't have access to the new set for a few days and would like to see what is still out there.

Also, to anyone who has seen the full expansion (you people that went to Bashcon), is there a Holy Mage Familiar in the set?
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: piousflea on February 18, 2013, 10:03:47 AM
No, there is not a holy mage familiar. The only two Familiars are:

Sectarus (Dark Rune Sword): Level 3 Dark equipment familiar, 10 mana, 1 channeling, 4 damage +1 piercing, can only cast curses, the sword gains a free spellcast action any time it inflicts melee damage.

Thoughtspore: Level 2 Mind familiar, 8 mana, 1 channeling, can cast level 1 incantation or enchantment spells, only one spell can be bound and it can not be changed.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 18, 2013, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: "piousflea" post=7652
No, there is not a holy mage familiar. The only two Familiars are:

Sectarus (Dark Rune Sword): Level 3 Dark equipment familiar, 10 mana, 1 channeling, 4 damage +1 piercing, can only cast curses, the sword gains a free spellcast action any time it inflicts melee damage.

Thoughtspore: Level 2 Mind familiar, 8 mana, 1 channeling, can cast level 1 incantation or enchantment spells, only one spell can be bound and it can not be changed.


And the Goblin Builder right?
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: piousflea on February 18, 2013, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: "Koz" post=7653
Quote from: "piousflea" post=7652
No, there is not a holy mage familiar. The only two Familiars are:

Sectarus (Dark Rune Sword): Level 3 Dark equipment familiar, 10 mana, 1 channeling, 4 damage +1 piercing, can only cast curses, the sword gains a free spellcast action any time it inflicts melee damage.

Thoughtspore: Level 2 Mind familiar, 8 mana, 1 channeling, can cast level 1 incantation or enchantment spells, only one spell can be bound and it can not be changed.


And the Goblin Builder right?


Ah yes, totally forgot that was considered a Familiar.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Cavie on February 18, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Anyone know if the new 2nd Edition Rulebook (posted here on the site) is included with the Frocemaster vs Warlord expansion?  (maybe that's been covered already   :blush: )
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: shapeshifter on February 18, 2013, 01:59:10 PM
Quote from: "Sausageman" post=7639
Quote from: "shapeshifter" post=7635
Ive already preordered...i live in England, and not certain when it will arrive here.

Where did you pre-order it from - straight from Arcane Wonders?  Cos I can't find any retailers accepting pre-orders...


I meant i have a reserved copy for me at my local gaming store when it arrives.
Not sure when that will be, so more hype is greatly appreciated to tick the time  :P
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Shad0w on February 18, 2013, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: "Cavie" post=7661
Anyone know if the new 2nd Edition Rulebook (posted here on the site) is included with the Frocemaster vs Warlord expansion?  (maybe that's been covered already   :blush: )


It only has the rule update not a full book in the box.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Koz on February 18, 2013, 02:45:35 PM
So those of you who have seen the new set, can you give us some tidbits?

Any new Curses?
Any new Traps?
Any new Demons?
What does Force Field do?
How does Mind Control work?

Sorry to barrage you guys with questions, but any heads up is appreciated :)
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Cavie on February 18, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
So basically the new pages in the new rule book?  

That works for me if that's the case.  I was just trying to decide if I needed to print out those pages (the updated) from the download or wait until I get the expansion.... Thanks.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: patrickconnor on February 18, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
Sorry folks, was away at a show with Shadow and Heat. Will have a full spoiler this week.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: krj on February 18, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7672
Sorry folks, was away at a show with Shadow and Heat. Will have a full spoiler this week.


can't wait!!
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Locusshifter on February 18, 2013, 04:32:42 PM
Quote from: "patrickconnor" post=7672
Sorry folks, was away at a show with Shadow and Heat. Will have a full spoiler this week.


 :woohoo:
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: BlueByLiquid on February 19, 2013, 12:49:20 AM
Any idea when retailers will actually copies so they can send out our preorders? I'm hoping to get mine in time for a Thursday playthrough.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: DarthDadaD20 on February 19, 2013, 02:19:48 AM
It should be in the hands of your retailers by the 20th. Im for sure that mine is.
Title: Re: Forcemaster vs Warlord ****SPOILERS****
Post by: Dre2Dee2 on February 19, 2013, 09:57:48 AM
Mine shipped out yesterday from CoolStuff Inc, had mine on pre-order for a while  :)