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Mage Wars => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vadi88 on December 14, 2012, 11:05:08 AM
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I was reading the spell list, and found some epic spells. This is my first time when I feel bad about the game. Why do we need second epic spells?
You can't say for 2 players because they don't have enough mages then.
In the first Spell Tome there was +1 Dispel but it's ok, because 2 players with 1 set need that, but this 2nd epic spells...
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Well first of all:
Why shoudn't you have enough mages?
You get 4 Mages in the MagewarsCoreset.
If you want to play now lets say you get 3 of each spelltome, to get at least 4 copies of each spell.
Now you have exactly 4 epic spells.
You have exactly 4 mages.
So if there is an epic spell you want to build with every mage - you can.
I guess magewars is designed to be played without every1 forced to have the coreset and a complete collection of cards by himself, and I like that - thus i don't see a reason why there shoudn't be a 2nd copie of an epic spell - how else to get it if not by buying the coreset again.
+They simply printed EVERY card at least once in their corespelltomes, to statisfy every player and every possible deck... realy don't see what you are complaining about
Just because you and the guys you play with don't need this spell this is no reason for not printing it. You could also say "Omg why HellfireLeash, we don't play warlock"
+if you mean mage exclusive: Still possible that in future expansions there will be mages of similiar shools, wich will then get the spell without needing the coreset (maybe there will be another coreset once?)
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I see what you like to say, and you are right. But the problem isn't with epic or epic + school type spells, but epic + mage only, like as:
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[li]Gate to Hell: epic + warlock only[/li]
[li]Gate to Voltary: epic + wizard only[/li]
[li]Pentagram: epic + warlock only[/li]
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I found this 3, probably these are all.
These cards you really can't use only if you have another core set. (Or if you want a wizard-wizard fight, you must make a mage card with his/her special cards but then probably you won't have enough spells from the schools so again you will buy another core set)
By the way, I'll be glad with (in the end) 6 copies of lvl 1 spells, 4 copies of higher except legendary, unique, epic: probably 2 of them is enough (maybe 3 from cheaper (mana) legendary)
And it could be more of the cheap, very usefull spells, because maybe both players want to put a few in his/her books too.
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Vadi88 said:
I see what you like to say, and you are right. But the problem isn't with epic or epic + school type spells, but epic + mage only, like as:
Gate to Hell: epic + warlock only
Gate to Voltary: epic + wizard only
Pentagram: epic + warlock only
You're right, that doesn't make a lot of sense. But it would be nice if they released the four core mages without the core set at some point, too bad they weren't included in the 2nd core spell tome as that would have solved the issue. But maybe they could just stick a copy of just those mages in the first mage expansion...
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At that point the Tomes suddenly become stand-alone playables while the Core Set just comes with all the trinkets that make the game a bit more visual. Not sure that would be wise.
I kind of feel like the Core Mages should stay in the core set, while Expansion Mages be in Expansion sets. It rewards those purchasing the game box.
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I think this was just a everything else set, and it was better to
include the caster exclusive spells rather than not have them,
and people would have complained about that too.
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If there is a second market seller you could get the extra mages for just a few bucks and with one core set and each tome you could make really good mirror match spell books without the need to purchase another base set. Saving you around $30.
plus a friend could get into the for $40 nstea
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If there is a second market seller you could get the extra mages for just a few bucks and with one core set and each tome you could make really good mirror match spell books without the need to purchase another base set. Saving you around $30.
plus a friend could get into the for $40 nstea
I can't buy the mages, it takes 1 month to get a core set too.
About the friend: it would be better with a "small core set" with the 4 mages, less spells, maybe no tokens and dices. It could have the epic spells, and it would be cheaper.
Ok, it's only 3 spells but I think it makes no sense.
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So, basically what I am getting out of this is you are
upset you are getting extra stuff.
Yeah, I wish I had your problems.
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If there is a second market seller you could get the extra mages for just a few bucks and with one core set and each tome you could make really good mirror match spell books without the need to purchase another base set. Saving you around $30.
plus a friend could get into the for $40 nstea
I can't buy the mages, it takes 1 month to get a core set too.
About the friend: it would be better with a "small core set" with the 4 mages, less spells, maybe no tokens and dices. It could have the epic spells, and it would be cheaper.
Ok, it's only 3 spells but I think it makes no sense.
obviously you did not full read my post. you get the mages from a secondary marketer selling singles. I also know for a fact that there is at least one secondary market seller for mage wars on the internet. all it takes is google search
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I try to express my thoughts better. (My english isn't the best, I try to be clear)
Mage Wars producers wants to make products for the majority, e.g. 7th Dispel: the majority play with 1 core or at least has friends for casual plays, who did't buy MW. So they can use 7 copies often.
I see that the argument about having the 7th "useless" Dispel affect only a few players (who probably have enough money because his friends have the core set + spell tomes too, or if they haven't, the 7th Dispel wouldn't be useless for them).
And I think you can't say to buy singles, because it's not in the "plan" (and I have other problems: shipping, tax to EU, won't be cheaper) . The plan is to make products for the majority. The producers don't want to force you to buy singles, only if you have special wants. At least I read they words so.
So at this point I can't see why is this good for the majority. If they put mages in the spell tomes it's ok, because at that moment you can use those spells.
I'd like to see what's the official response.
p.s.: I don't want to lay to charge (maybe not the best expression, sry my lack of english). Everybody at MW was so helpfull with me and others, and they answered everything logically. I just really want to understand why is this good, or what's the plan.
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the second core spell tome was something that was requested on the forums and facebook so that players could have access to all the cards through to two core spell tomes without buying multiple core sets... yes, some of the cards are less important to have many copies of than others, but again, this was something specifically requested by the fans and the Mage Wars team were listening.
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To the single buys:
If you somehow dammage the cards (Put water over them e.g. ) you would have to buy singles or a secounds coreset - this way you also have them included in corespelltome as "Backup"
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Ok, you are right about backup. Now I say it's fine to have other copies, just don't want to have a lot of backup cards when I'll buy new tomes, expansions.
We will discuss what we like to have in the future tomes. :)
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I'm finding it hard to believe out of 110 cards, 3 is considered 'a lot'.
Ok, you are right about backup. Now I say it's fine to have other copies, just don't want to have a lot of backup cards when I'll buy new tomes, expansions.
We will discuss what we like to have in the future tomes. :)
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Hey guys,
Thanks for the feedback. We're trying our best to make everyone happy, but sometimes that's not always the case. The major feedback we got after releasing the Core Set and the Core Spell Tome 1, was that there was no effective way to buy copies of ALL cards in the game. We tried our hardest not to put any Epic and Legendary spells in the CST1, and instead focus entirely on utility spells that all players can use. However, it's very hard to predict what each individual player's situation will be like. Some of them play with one set, some play with three. Another thing is that some players will run more than one spellbook of the same mage (Maybe they have a fire Warlock and a curse Warlock, etc.) We decided it would make the most sense to have the CST2 compliment the CST1 by retaining the entire REST of the amount of cards not currently available at the Core Spell Tome price point.
As always, we're listening to feedback and we'll try and evolve our product releases to include items that will get players what they want.
Thanks!
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I'm finding it hard to believe out of 110 cards, 3 is considered 'a lot'.
I mean in the future expansions, tomes. So 2 copies of these "epic X mage only" type cards are ok, but no more.
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Thanks for the hard work Sean, I think you guys made the right choice with Core Spell Tome 2.
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I dont mind extra epics on hand, as I like to have numerous decks on hand, often with multiples of the same mage type, and at times each with copies of certain epics.
given the choice, Id rather the epics be included in the expansions over the core set being the only reliable way to find more.