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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2014, 01:25:18 PM »
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
Have you ever seen it played in tourneys? To what effect?

I have not seen it but that does not mean that somebody some place has not tried.  :P

Indeed, no. And yet, I'm willing to bet you've seen quite a lot of other cards played... which makes me suspect that this card is pretty weak, and almost always worse than another card.

It's possible that with the new warlord deck, this creature has become more viable. A useful way to spend mana from construction yard, perhaps. But I suspect it's still weak.

The suggestion that it can't even heal a paltry 1 from a wall is the least of its problems. The greater problem is that its conjurations have no range, and that they take a full round, meaning that playing the goblin builder effectively throws away a number of actions early on, a time when the warlord is particularly vulnerable, and when it can ill afford to waste moves.

The sadness about this card is that it could be a great tool in the emerging creatures-conjurations focus of the warlord. A class defining creature, in fact. It's as though they designed it, then got scared of it, and clipped its wings too far.

I would love to see it meet its potential - because I think it could be a pivotal card.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2014, 01:31:12 AM »
I just finished a game with my goblin swarm book. It still needs more polishing but i can tell you, that goblin builder could be sometimes underrated for no reason.

First of all, it depends on a meta in your area and what kind of player is against you. My first Goblin Builder draw so much attention in his distant corner with his wall of earth (i somewhat still calling that card pile of dirt :) ) just because that my oponent was sure, that statue of talos will be build there. He was druid and that wall pretty ignored his wine marker attempts. I was also lucky, that my opponent fully accepts that goblins actually can repair walls.  (still need to be confirmed).

Also, builder is a soldier. Very weak soldier indeed, but still soldier and numbers are what counts in my swarm build. I didnt cast akiros battle cry but thanks to horn of ghotos, piercing was what counts against druid with veteran belt, barkskin...

I loose, i loose but not because of Goblin Builder. There are no bad cards, just less usefull.

I would really like to hear its (goblin builders) design story. I trust in playtesters. Maybe there was a point where goblin builders was building war machines (other then akiros hammer or ballista :) ) and dominate every game :)
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2014, 01:50:28 PM »
As long as [mwcard=FWC04] Goblin Builder[/mwcard] says in his zone he cannot repair walls
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2014, 08:38:18 PM »
I know! we just need a medic-type soldier, which can carry a creature from one zone to another. If he carried the goblin builder, it could build a new zone exclusive every turn.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2014, 11:01:34 PM »
Why would the medic carry him? Why not just heal the builder where he is? And why would a medic carry him anywhere BUT the hospital? We would need a hospital conjuration. Regardless, a medic couldn't take him wherever you want him to go.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2014, 11:16:59 PM »
btw medic means a lot of things to a lot of people, so i meant a battlefield Paramedic with the stretcher and all that.
Why would the medic carry him? Why not just heal the builder where he is? And why would a medic carry him anywhere BUT the hospital? We would need a hospital conjuration. Regardless, a medic couldn't take him wherever you want him to go.
He's no doctor, or he'd cost more mana and be less effective than healing magic. He only has the expertise to keep the patient stable while in transit. And the medic will drive patients where I tell him to! It's more important that the goblin builds me a cathedral than survives his burns. We will need a hospital outpost conjuration too which functions as a full action [mwcard=FWJ08] Renewing Spring[/mwcard] but also offers palliative care, occupational therapy, and a gift shop. This is getting complicated.

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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2014, 11:32:13 PM »
Hospitals and Cathedras should be peaceful and any fights within are against the Geneva Convention. As is Poison Gas Cloud but no one cares #worldpeace
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Goblin Builder - ruling
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2014, 04:41:49 PM »
Finally got a ruling from Aaron Brosman on this.

Goblin builder cannot repair walls and stays as he is.

Useful to know, as I can now happily abandon these cards as a lost cause and focus on using different ones instead!
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Re: Goblin Builder - ruling
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2014, 04:54:11 PM »
This is a shame!
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Re: Goblin Builder - ruling
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2014, 05:03:35 PM »
Yep. They may look at it later, but for the time being it stands, and they are inclined to leave it.

Since this means the warlord builder-based conjuration playstyle is now off the table (ie the potential synergy of builder/Otto/construction yard), it frees me to focus on my warlock instead. It's something of a relief to finally rid myself of this pipedream!

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Re: Goblin Builder - ruling
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2014, 05:21:55 PM »
He can still "repair" walls by building a new one when one is destroyed. altar of carnage and construction yard can help
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Re: Goblin Builder - ruling
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2014, 01:50:49 AM »
Finally got a ruling from Aaron Brosman on this.

Goblin builder cannot repair walls and stays as he is.

Useful to know, as I can now happily abandon these cards as a lost cause and focus on using different ones instead!

Please do not make a new thread when we already have a thread on this topic. I already merged your thread into the other thread.
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2014, 05:36:21 PM »
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2014, 01:31:14 PM »
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(

This topic is closed for now please let it go. 8)
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Re: Goblin builder can't actually reconstruct walls?
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2014, 02:49:15 PM »
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(

This topic is closed for now please let it go. 8)

Seems a little harsh.

I think fan fora work best when fans are allowed to freely express their views, as long as it's in a constructive civilized manner.

His post was entirely politely worded!