Arcane Wonders Forum
Mage Wars => Rules Discussion => Topic started by: BoomFrog on February 07, 2014, 10:51:41 AM
-
I assumed repairing a wall was half the purpose of the builder but now I realize that his ability says: "Remove 1 damage from a Corporeal Conjuration in his zone."
Walls are not in any zone, so does that mean he really can't repair a wall? If so it's extremely disappointing.
-
This was asked back in December, but we never got a ruling on it one way or the other.
-
I assumed repairing a wall was half the purpose of the builder but now I realize that his ability says: "Remove 1 damage from a Corporeal Conjuration in his zone."
Walls are not in any zone, so does that mean he really can't repair a wall? If so it's extremely disappointing.
If we base it on the official ruling that a guard cant protect a wall because the wall is not in the zone, I would guess a goblin cant repair a wall.
-
It should be able to. That was the intent but according to the current rules he could not. These kind of things happen when trying to clean up wordings. :P
-
as far as targeting walls is concerned with things like range attacks the wall is considered to be part of both of the spaces it touches. so i would say the the wall could be repaired no prob! half of it IS in the zone!
-
You are incorrect, drunkensaint. Walls are not part of any zone. The rules on pages 17 and 18 are very clear that a wall is not in any zone. It describes how ranged and melee attacks are still able to target them despite this, but zone attacks and zone effects can not.
Goblin builder's ability as currently written very clearly limits it from affecting walls. It can only use its ability on corporeal conjurations in its zone, and walls are not in any zone.
Arcane Wonders representatives have stated this is an oversight and may change it in the future, but for now the rules prevent it.
-
You are incorrect, drunkensaint. Walls are not part of any zone. The rules on pages 17 and 18 are very clear that a wall is not in any zone. It describes how ranged and melee attacks are still able to target them despite this, but zone attacks and zone effects can not.
Goblin builder's ability as currently written very clearly limits it from affecting walls. It can only use its ability on corporeal conjurations in its zone, and walls are not in any zone.
Arcane Wonders representatives have stated this is an oversight and may change it in the future, but for now the rules prevent it.
Correct
-
Apparently a Blue Gremlin was in the office when rules for targeting walls were being written.
-
Did this ever change? I have to assume it was intended that the builder could repair a wall.
-
Did this ever change? I have to assume it was intended that the builder could repair a wall.
the card has not been changed as of yet.
this is a very common issue that comes up with warlord players.
-
Did this ever change? I have to assume it was intended that the builder could repair a wall.
the card has not been changed as of yet.
this is a very common issue that comes up with warlord players.
I am going to assume from the wording on Otto, and from simple common sense, that is was intended the goblin builder could repair walls, but that they didn't think to clarify that on the original card.
Either way, I would certainly appreciate an update.
-
I am going to assume from the wording on Otto, and from simple common sense, that is was intended the goblin builder could repair walls, but that they didn't think to clarify that on the original card.
Either way, I would certainly appreciate an update.
agreed
-
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
-
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
Have you ever seen it played in tourneys? To what effect?
-
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
Have you ever seen it played in tourneys? To what effect?
I have not seen it but that does not mean that somebody some place has not tried. :P
-
Until it gets a errata or a new printing in tourneys it is play as worded
Have you ever seen it played in tourneys? To what effect?
I have not seen it but that does not mean that somebody some place has not tried. :P
Indeed, no. And yet, I'm willing to bet you've seen quite a lot of other cards played... which makes me suspect that this card is pretty weak, and almost always worse than another card.
It's possible that with the new warlord deck, this creature has become more viable. A useful way to spend mana from construction yard, perhaps. But I suspect it's still weak.
The suggestion that it can't even heal a paltry 1 from a wall is the least of its problems. The greater problem is that its conjurations have no range, and that they take a full round, meaning that playing the goblin builder effectively throws away a number of actions early on, a time when the warlord is particularly vulnerable, and when it can ill afford to waste moves.
The sadness about this card is that it could be a great tool in the emerging creatures-conjurations focus of the warlord. A class defining creature, in fact. It's as though they designed it, then got scared of it, and clipped its wings too far.
I would love to see it meet its potential - because I think it could be a pivotal card.
-
I just finished a game with my goblin swarm book. It still needs more polishing but i can tell you, that goblin builder could be sometimes underrated for no reason.
First of all, it depends on a meta in your area and what kind of player is against you. My first Goblin Builder draw so much attention in his distant corner with his wall of earth (i somewhat still calling that card pile of dirt :) ) just because that my oponent was sure, that statue of talos will be build there. He was druid and that wall pretty ignored his wine marker attempts. I was also lucky, that my opponent fully accepts that goblins actually can repair walls. (still need to be confirmed).
Also, builder is a soldier. Very weak soldier indeed, but still soldier and numbers are what counts in my swarm build. I didnt cast akiros battle cry but thanks to horn of ghotos, piercing was what counts against druid with veteran belt, barkskin...
I loose, i loose but not because of Goblin Builder. There are no bad cards, just less usefull.
I would really like to hear its (goblin builders) design story. I trust in playtesters. Maybe there was a point where goblin builders was building war machines (other then akiros hammer or ballista :) ) and dominate every game :)
-
As long as [mwcard=FWC04] Goblin Builder[/mwcard] says in his zone he cannot repair walls
-
I know! we just need a medic-type soldier, which can carry a creature from one zone to another. If he carried the goblin builder, it could build a new zone exclusive every turn.
-
Why would the medic carry him? Why not just heal the builder where he is? And why would a medic carry him anywhere BUT the hospital? We would need a hospital conjuration. Regardless, a medic couldn't take him wherever you want him to go.
-
btw medic means a lot of things to a lot of people, so i meant a battlefield Paramedic with the stretcher and all that.
Why would the medic carry him? Why not just heal the builder where he is? And why would a medic carry him anywhere BUT the hospital? We would need a hospital conjuration. Regardless, a medic couldn't take him wherever you want him to go.
He's no doctor, or he'd cost more mana and be less effective than healing magic. He only has the expertise to keep the patient stable while in transit. And the medic will drive patients where I tell him to! It's more important that the goblin builds me a cathedral than survives his burns. We will need a hospital outpost conjuration too which functions as a full action [mwcard=FWJ08] Renewing Spring[/mwcard] but also offers palliative care, occupational therapy, and a gift shop. This is getting complicated.
I am joking by the way.
-
Hospitals and Cathedras should be peaceful and any fights within are against the Geneva Convention. As is Poison Gas Cloud but no one cares #worldpeace
-
Finally got a ruling from Aaron Brosman on this.
Goblin builder cannot repair walls and stays as he is.
Useful to know, as I can now happily abandon these cards as a lost cause and focus on using different ones instead!
-
This is a shame!
-
Yep. They may look at it later, but for the time being it stands, and they are inclined to leave it.
Since this means the warlord builder-based conjuration playstyle is now off the table (ie the potential synergy of builder/Otto/construction yard), it frees me to focus on my warlock instead. It's something of a relief to finally rid myself of this pipedream!
-
He can still "repair" walls by building a new one when one is destroyed. altar of carnage and construction yard can help
-
Finally got a ruling from Aaron Brosman on this.
Goblin builder cannot repair walls and stays as he is.
Useful to know, as I can now happily abandon these cards as a lost cause and focus on using different ones instead!
Please do not make a new thread when we already have a thread on this topic. I already merged your thread into the other thread.
-
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(
-
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(
This topic is closed for now please let it go. 8)
-
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(
This topic is closed for now please let it go. 8)
Seems a little harsh.
I think fan fora work best when fans are allowed to freely express their views, as long as it's in a constructive civilized manner.
His post was entirely politely worded!
-
Regardless of how nicely worded it was, the point is moot. It is what it is, and it's not going to be changed any time soon.
-
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(
This topic is closed for now please let it go. 8)
Sorry, I am kind of new here. The thread was not locked so I assumed it was ok to comment on it. Did I violate a forum policy?
-
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(
This topic is closed for now please let it go. 8)
Sorry, I am kind of new here. The thread was not locked so I assumed it was ok to comment on it. Did I violate a forum policy?
No you did not do not worry about it.
I talked it over with both Aaron and Bryan they know how people feel but we have other task to deal with first.
-
Regardless of how nicely worded it was, the point is moot. It is what it is, and it's not going to be changed any time soon.
Correct we have no need to talk about an issue that is not going to change in the near future.
-
It is very sad to read they no longer plan to "fix" the builder. I know errata is not taken lightly but I am of the opinion this creature needs it. An otherwise great creature made much less great because of a rules oversight. :(
This topic is closed for now please let it go. 8)
Seems a little harsh.
I think fan fora work best when fans are allowed to freely express their views, as long as it's in a constructive civilized manner.
His post was entirely politely worded!
I was being nice then I was stating a fact that this is not going to change soon but we are all aware of the issue.